Question about House's cacti preperation tek

[Dreamwalker]

Okay so I finally had the chance to try this out and I followed the tek the T.

Everything went exactly the way it should have. After I strained the cactus chunks I simmered the liquid down on low heat.

When the liquid got very low I transferred it to a ceramic crock pot and set it on low. I swirled the contents around and as the water evaporated I could actually see the alkaloids forming.

I turned off the heat swirled the liquid around again and let it sit in the open for a few days. This is where I ran into a problem.

When I look into the pot now I can see a whole lot of tanish alkaloids on top and I can also see a dark layer of resin underneath them.

Only problem is everything is like a sludge. The alkaloids didn't migrate away from the resin and form any crystalline powder that can be scraped away. It's just sitting in the form of sludge on top of the resin layer.

I did try really hard not to burn the product so I was thinking that maybe there's a little water in there keeping it in this sludge like state?
I let it sit for a few more days to see if it would dry out but it looks the same. It's been sitting out for about six days now.

Should I maybe turn the crockpot on low for a while and try to heat it up again in case there is still water in there? Should I let it sit out longer and just wait? Or is there any other suggestions anyone may have.

Thanks in advance!

- D

 

[Madcap]

I can't help but notice that the word "decant" did not appear anywhere in your play by play.

But, even doing everything right, your cactus isn't house's famous nexus Pedro ( that if memory serves me, we are all supposed to get cuttings of, at some point ) not really expecting a cutting, but would still love one.

Your starting material has be pretty good to get cleanish crystals from this tek. No problem though, your sludge is probably awesome

if you didn't let it settle until clear and then decant carefully... It does make difference, decanting something cloudy is better than not decanting at all. But, decanting something clear is miles better.

 

[Dreamwalker]

Well, I used San Pedro from a vendor I found on the Nexus. Not sure of the quality as I've never heard anybody comment on it.

As far as decanting I basically made sure that there were no little pieces of cactus in the liquid before simmering down. I didn't let it sit until it was clear so maybe that's the problem.

So what do you suggest I do with this "sludge" as far as administration goes? I cant get it into capsules in the form it is.

Should I just eat spoon fulls of it as is?
Also, is the resin part really that bad as far as nausea or anything is concerned?
With all the time I took to do this I'm ready to just eat it all and lick the bowl clean...
:twisted:

 

[Madcap]

Eat it.


Extraction on material from that vendor whose name you edited away (dried skins put thru 69ron style) yielded about the same as an equal amount of commercial dried powder....so it's ok. I have not housed it though, so I don't know if dry scrap able crystals are a possibility.

Eat it a bit at a time, over an hour or so. Drink plenty of water. Don't consume more than foots worth, or do... if you've got the head for it

 

[Dreamwalker]

Yeah, had to do a quick edit when I realized I wasn't quite sticking to the rules of the forum.

Anyway, I'll take your advice and eat it.
There was a foot of cactus in total so my plan then is just stir it all up. The resin layer and alkaloid looking layer just mix them together and eat it all slowly right?

Tomorrow I actually have the day off so looks like I'll be doing some daytrippin'!

I'll let you know how it goes!

 

[Madcap]

how'd it go?

 

[Dreamwalker]

Well, it didn't really go so well but in the end I had an awesome experience. I'm gonna chalk this one up to the fact that It's the first time doing this and I must have screwed up somehow.

I'm thinking that maybe I didn't use a big enough pot while brewing. I know the more water you use the more place for the alkaloids to go but my pot was somewhat small. When the water got low I added more. I read somewhere (cant remember where) after the fact that if the cactus chunks still have a very bitter taste that there is still a lot of mescaline in there. I don't know why but I did actually taste it and it was very bitter. Either way I saved the chunks just in case which i guess was a good thing.

Basically I ate half of the "sludge" waited a half hour and then ate the rest. About an hour and a half later I was feeling pretty euphoric but nothing too strong.

I definitely felt something from eating it but it was pretty weak. Since I wasn't really feeling it much I decided to smoke some harmine/DMT...

I don't know if it was just the harmine DMT combo by itself or if the little bit of mescaline in me too but I did end up having a very spiritual breakthrough.

It was different than any other one I've had yet. I know there always different but this had a special feeling to it. It started out with the standard visuals of geometric shapes unfolding beneath my eyelids. I was hypnotized by it. Then I watched them transform into beautiful strands of DNA twisting around. Then I could hear voices of What I can only describe as spirits.

"It's been so long and we're finally reunited" I heard one say.

As strange as it sounds I could "feel" an entity made out of pure love energy hugging my soul. I think they thought I was dead at first but came to realize I was able to visit them this way temporarily. That's when I heard ... "Well, it's good to know we can reunite like this again."

I could feel them moving further and further away as the experience wore off. It's like I felt others there and could hear there voices too somewhat but that one voice came through strong.

My eyes were closed the whole time and I never saw them. Only beautiful visuals of DNA strands twisting together until I came out of it and "woke up"

When I came too I had the most unbelievable feeling of pure love pulsing through my body. Nothing sexual, just pure love energy and tears were running down my face. I felt that I had just made contact with somebody special and could "feel them" for about a half hour later. It was really beautiful!

So yeah, I don't think I would have had this experience if I had not smoked the harmine and DMT but I think that my cactus "sludge" added something magical to the experience.

I think maybe next time I'll try a different extraction method though. It was my first time trying it so I thought I would keep it simple.

You have any extraction teks/methods you can suggest for my next attempt?

 

[PrimalWisdom]

I've only tried House's tek once and it ended up almost like yours, except it was a hard taffy like caramel coloured tar. No crystals, I did get lazy with the decanting pat, and I figured that's why it didn't work out properly. The effects were pretty powerful though. I split my tar into 3 doses (I used 4.5ft of Cacti) and figured it was probably a bit weaker coz there weren't the crystals House spoke of so I'll take 1.5 doses WOW! It was probably one of my best mescaline experiences.

I'm going to do the tek again soon, and follow it to the letter. But I won't be consuming cacti any other way from now on.

 

[Dreamwalker]

Wow..... I only used one foot of cactus which I thought would have been enough for just me. Like I said I used a pretty small pot and my chunks were still pretty bitter after brewing so I don't know that I got all the goodies out.

In the tek he says to decant just pour the liquid from cup to cup and make sure there are no big pieces in there so I didn't think I had to be so thorough with that part.

Maybe next time not only will I use a much bigger pot but a lot more cactus too? That and I guess ill try and be more careful decanting this time.

The thing I liked about the tek was its simplicity. I'll have to give it a go again sometime again soon.

Ill post my results again when I do.

Anybody else out there try this with good results that may have any tips?

 

[۩]

Small pot could have been your downfall. Using larger pots is better because the water volume allows for easier solubility of alkaloids, and if the material was still bitter I would take that as a clear indication that the extraction was not complete.

Some users report that their decanted material is highly active...

Personally, I like to make my extracts as pure as possible, so I never use the decanted stuff, but a few people I've talked to are telling me it should be saved and consumed.

Another thing about cactus is do not get discouraged if it doesn't make you trip balls. I have ingested san pedro and other cactus many times and sometimes I just don't get that majestic universal oneness. I even have 1 trip that was unlike ALL other trips and I've never been able to get anywhere near that one experience. I am not sure what the deal is with variability. All I know is, keep consuming it, as much as possible, from good sources. Soon you will be a master at this

 

[Madcap]

If the decanting "leave behinds" are active, I think washing them with more clean h2o and re-decanting and evading should get you the goods without compromising purity. Maybe even refreeze and thaw again.

 

[Dreamwalker]

Ahhhh.... Well at least its a good thing I saved and re froze the chunks after I drained the liquid out. I didn't know about the bitter taste thing till after I finished the procedure. I read it on another forum somewhere but I cant remember now.

I can see how with not a large enough pot the alkaloids had only so much water they could migrate to and most of them must have stayed in the cactus chunks. I added water when it got low but there must have been too many chunks for such a small pot to begin with.

Just one question... When you talk about decanting are you letting the liquid sit for a while for solids to fall to the bottom and then recovering the liquid part. When I read the tek I was under the impression that you just had to make sure there were no large pieces in the liquid before you simmer it down. Should I let the liquid settle for a while before decanting for a more pure product?

Either way I wont give up just that easily. My first two shots at extraction spice were a disaster. I put in so much hard work during those attempts. What a let down to wake up happy in the morning expecting a "snowstorm" in the freezer only to find a flurry.

I'm not the most knowledgeable person with chemistry. The Nexus helped me tremendously when it came to that aspect. Now when I extract spice I'm can always expect a "blizzard" in there when I open the freezer door.

The feeling you get when everything comes together in the end when it finally works out makes it worth all the effort!! :d

No better way of getting something like that down to a science without trial and error IMO.

So I will try this again in about a week. This time I think I'll get it right!
Thanks for the support!

I'll let you know how it goes!

 

[Madcap]

you really want to let it sit and settle down. Do it in the fridge ( i don't think it will mold outside the fridge, but it won't inside fo sho) it may take a while.

Then I usually let the decanted liquid sit and decant again if anything got by.

 

[Dreamwalker]

oh okay I got it.

I'll do that and may as well hold onto whatever sediment falls to the bottom if its still active.

Thanks!

 

[Dreamwalker]

Okay, I've got myself a much larger pot. I de spined and sliced up another fresh cactus and threw it in the freezer. I'm going to give this another shot this weekend but just have a couple questions.

I saved the chunks from my previous failed attempt at this. Should I just throw them in with the fresh cactus and brew them all together or should I brew them separate? Will brewing the previous chunks with the fresh ones mess things up somehow?

I know this seems like a stupid question. I believe the answer is yes brew them all together but I really want to make sure I get it right this time.

Also do I really have to worry about removing the cactus skin? I remember reading somewhere that the skin should be removed to avoid nausea. Then I also remember reading somewhere else that it doesn't matter if you remove the skin or not. I'm just asking because that's the most tedious part and if I don't have to remove it I'd rather not.

 

[۩]

It won't mess anything up to brew the chunks longer with the fresh ones.

You only need to remove the skin if you are drying/powdering it has 0 effect on the brew. Don't waste the time/effort. It comes right off usually when brewed anyway. It totally doesn't matter.

 

[Dreamwalker]

Okay nice... So I'll try it out again one last question.

When decanting should I just make sure there are no large solids and do a quick decant like in the tek or should I let it settle in the fridge overnight and decant the next day.

I would think if the decanted material is active anyway a quick decant should do but if a more pure product is better I'll let it settle overnight first.

 

[۩]

Just do a quick check to make sure theres no chunks and evap that. You will get more resin but thats ok, just eat it all

 

[steppa]

Hey,

I tried house's TEK on 76 cm of san pedro and it yielded me 8 gram of what's attatched as a picture. I'm eager to ttry it, but I never tried mescaline and want to dose carefully. How much of this 8 gramm should be consumed for threesold effects?

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

All of it