Question on VaporGenie with DMT

[JacksonMetaller]

Hey guys! I'm new here. Spent a lot of time at the shroomery but want to change it up and talk to some new people. Too much negativity and trolling on the shroomery compared to the forums i've seen here :d

So my question... I have a VaporGenie, the classic one, and i've heard that they can work great for smoking DMT. I was just curious how to avoid getting dirty melted DMT stuck in there...? I've made a copper wire screen as suggested by one person but I'm not sure if that can be used multiple times or if i have to clean it out or make a new one. This is my first time smoking DMT so I'm not quite sure how the best way to go about it is with this piece.

Also i made it out of straight copper wire as opposed to copper mesh like i've seen on others so i don't know if that makes a difference

 

[q21q21]

Personally I've never used the VG but I do know a lot about DMT on-copper action (hehe)

If your DMT is in crystal form then it will leave nearly nothing behind though one thing that I've read you have to be careful of is DMT-runoff because it melts then flows away from the heat-source which you don't want to be into the middle of the pipe (I'm sure you can look that issue up)

I suppose one would assume you would only smoke DMT if it is nearly pure so it will take many uses for anything significant to build up so maybe every 8-10 times you could take out and rinse the screens with vinegar then/or acetone or isopropyl alcohol

I could go on more about what-if's but what I'd recommend is just googling: site:www.dmt-nexus.me VG GVG - and browsing some of those, I'm sure most if not all of your question's answers will be found in them.

 

[Oneiros]

I agree with q21, I haven't noticed any residue remaining in the copper screen itself after using it quite a few times. I've read that copper mesh is preferred over round wire, presumably because of surface area, but I'm not sure how much of a difference it actually makes. Just read up on the technique of smoking out of a VG - actually, here - I'll save gilbran2 the trouble of having to reply to this and give you his technique:

One problem might be that you’re inhaling too quickly. If you inhale too quickly, you’ll be out of breath before you’ve managed to melt, vaporize, and inhale a full dose. Here’s what I do:


1. Begin by taking a series of very deep, slow breaths. Inhale deeply, then exhale fully. Do this three times at least. (This not only oxygenates your blood, but has a nice pre-launch calming effect as well.)

2. As you start the last exhale, begin heating the GVG ceramic diffuser.

3. When every last bit of air is out of your lungs, slowly begin inhaling through the GVG, and keep the torch heating it, raising or lowering the flame to control temperature. It’s very important to inhale slowly.

4. If you’re doing everything right, after 5-10 seconds, the DMT will begin to vaporize. If you’re really doing everything right, the full dose will vaporize almost instantaneously. Don’t be alarmed when you feel the ultra-concentrated vapor enter your lungs.

5. Continue to slowly inhale, and when no more vapor is being generated, bring the flame even closer to the ceramic diffuser to ensure that everything has been vaporized.

6. Remove the flame, and draw a bit of cool air through the GVG into your lungs. This helps to hold the vapor for a longer period.

7. Hold the vapor in your lungs for as long as you reasonably can.

His descriptions have helped me out the most out of all that I read, and following his suggestions I had a fantastic experience the very first time I smoked DMT with my GVG. (Thanks gilbran )

Best of luck to you in your initial journeys!

 

[JacksonMetaller]

Thanks so much guys! So i was looking for copper mesh, and i guess what i was thinking was more of a copper "steel wool." Where is a good place to find that? And is there a name for it? If not could i use regular steel wool? Sorry so many questions

 

[gibran2]

“Chore Boy” kitchen scrubbers are made of copper ribbon. Ribbon has a rectangular cross-section, whereas wire has a circular cross-section. Ribbon is much more effective at holding liquid DMT. If you can get a copper scrubber, it’s very much worth using instead of wire.

 

[JacksonMetaller]

Thank you! That's exactly what i was looking for. Just hope my connect comes through and tonight should be great :d

 

[tele]

Thank you! That's exactly what i was looking for. Just hope my connect comes through and tonight should be great :d

I just hope you aren't going to buy your DMT...

 

[JacksonMetaller]

well i have to for now. i live in a dorm room with no private access to a kitchen. plus i'm not very good with extractions. i'm getting it by the point for relatively cheap though so as a one-time kind of thing it's not too big of a deal. (btw let me know if any of that is against forum rules. it says no discussion of prices or selling but i don't know if something like this applies since it lacks detail)

 

[smokerx]

well i have to for now. i live in a dorm room with no private access to a kitchen. plus i'm not very good with extractions. i'm getting it by the point for relatively cheap though so as a one-time kind of thing it's not too big of a deal. (btw let me know if any of that is against forum rules. it says no discussion of prices or selling but i don't know if something like this applies since it lacks detail)

if you can wait than do. you never know what you are buying. you don't know how was the extraction done and how pure the spice is. it may contain some nasty residue that can really harm you.extraction is not that difficult so if you can wait that do and than do your own extraction. you can always come here for advice.

 

[JacksonMetaller]

if you can wait than do. you never know what you are buying. you don't know how was the extraction done and how pure the spice is. it may contain some nasty residue that can really harm you.extraction is not that difficult so if you can wait that do and than do your own extraction. you can always come here for advice.

what kinds of residue? my buddie's smoked this guys spice before and said it was real. can't say as far as purity i guess, but he get's everything from this guy (mush, mdma, bud, and apparently now mescaline). he says the products pretty good for the most part and always given trial runs before it's sold.

 

[smokerx]

what kinds of residue? my buddie's smoked this guys spice before and said it was real.

how about sodium hydroxide ? or some traces of naphtha ? or some other toxic stuff that may have been used for extraction ?

just because you can smoke it and it gives you some effects does not mean its clean.

This forum does not support buying or selling DMT. People here extract it them self and never sell it. I my self would never sell it I would only share it with people I can trust and only with people that I know are ready for it.

DMT is not some kind of recreational drug my friend so make sure you treat it with respect or it will kick your ass so badly you wont want to try it ever again

 

[JacksonMetaller]

how about sodium hydroxide ? or some traces of naphtha ? or some other toxic stuff that may have been used for extraction ?

just because you can smoke it and it gives you some effects does not mean its clean.

This forum does not support buying or selling DMT. People here extract it them self and never sell it. I my self would never sell it I would only share it with people I can trust and only with people that I know are ready for it.

DMT is not some kind of recreational drug my friend so make sure you treat it with respect or it will kick your ass so badly you wont want to try it ever again

haha too many assumptions buddy :d i understand it's not a recreational drug. i read a book on DMT and researched it for a while. while you do have a good point about toxins i feel the experience itself i was ready for. and i was. it was fantastic. i guess my problem here is im more educated in the action of the drug rather than what goes into it... so help me out a little. assuming it was decent dmt, not the best, but decent stuff... how dangerous would you say it is? i've got about three bowls worth and would love to repeat this experience. are things like sodium hydroxide and naphtha toxic in doses like that? or is it more long term exposure. its a slightly yellowish powder, but not that yellow, if that helps. i know that's not THE most pure, but slight yellow doesn't seem to be too uncommon either from my experience.

ps, sorry i had no idea the site was against buying and selling, i thought it was only banned from discussion for legal purposes. i don't have a set-up for cooking up spice where i live so i'm forced to buy for the time being. i try to know my sources well though. same sources i obtain my other psyches from

 

[smokerx]

On the picture you can see chemical burn caused by exposure to a less than 10% sodium hydroxide solution.You just don't want to inhale that stuff what ever the amount trust me. That apply for naphtha as well.

One more think just because the spice looks clean it does not mean it is clean. It is only clean when you know you have cleaned it properly your self. Whoever you buy from will not tell you the truth I guess and I would not personally trust anyone. If you want to know for sure you have clean spice you will have to extract it your self. It is only up to you to decide my friend I hope nothing will happened and you will be ok but if not don't say you have not been warned.

I have tried someone else's spice one and I had head ache after smoking it for very long time since then I said to my self never again and I did my own extraction. Who knows how much damage I did to my self by doing it hope not too much.

 

[q21q21]

Firstly I should say I am totally against selling DMT.

Secondly I am going to say that when I first started making DMT and it was yellow-ish but still crystall-y and my roomie's "connection" came over they said they wouldn't be able to sell my stuff cause it wasn't white. I've heard from people 2-3 times and personally seen the "sold-DMT" which at least in my town is white crystals or bust.

This is NOT to say it is pure and of course selling it terrible but I am only saying that the terrible DMT-market in my town is white-spice only.
Of course some people have been ASKING me to sell it to them but I won't. I tell them to extract it and give them links.


Thirdly, on that note: Dude, extract it! It is so much cheaper.

I GAVE a friend 250mg-300mg of DMT because it cost me $2-$3 to make in an afternoon and it was an experiment not an extraction cause I needed DMT. (and I'm broke)

You know what I told my Mum when I was excited to get my first spice crystals.
I told her I was trying out a caffeine extraction I saw on the internet and that I didn't want to consume it but just make a pure product cause I love chemistry. I didn't post pictures but I bet she would have bought it.

Your roomies/dormies could totally buy that too.
I dunno, I could totally pass off Q21Q21's tek or Noman's tek as a caffeine extraction from coffee beans, no sweat. Just apologize for the odor, if there is any.

Put it in the back of the freezer sealed and it won't make a stink. If they find it, it is caffeine crystals and you are practicing for a lab or just trying something out you saw on the internet.

I dunno, I am being very surprised by how difficult it is to make a point when on MXE but at the same time entertaining but of course I say this all as NEVER TO BE TESTED theory cause DMT is illegal in most places.
(Hope this advice isn't too risqué or something.)


Edit: NVM the small stuff, just find a way if you can, and don't buy it if you can!

 

[tele]

Redissolving in acetone is a great way to make sure there are no naphtha traces in the end product, I wouldn't do without...

Anyone selling(or I would say even buying) DMT should be ass whooped!:twisted:

 

[corpus callosum]

Q21Q21, if you are extracting under your mums roof and have told her its a caffeine extraction, then your economy with the truth is against the ethos of the Nexus.Under certain circumstances this also applies to shared accomodation too.This advice is, IMO, too risque so please refrain from this.

 

[AstraKhan]

I've bought a Glass Bat VG and tried any method possible to be able to reasonably vaporize something anything - with very poor to zero effect. No vapor, no smoke no fog, no taste, nothing. I have a Volcano and a dozen other smoking and vaporizing gadgets and am not a noob at all. It simply doesn't work. I tried to inhale in every way possible, at every speed possible and the effects are very very poor - besides depleting a whole lighter for a single poor hit. I've searched the net and didn't find a single explicit how to video. I will be grateful to anyone providing a clear-cut resource on how this thing practically works.

 

[JacksonMetaller]

my issue is not my roommate. he's a chronic budsmoker. my issue is i don't have a kitchen. so making it is 100% out of the question. i'm not buying this from sketchy one-time street dealers, these guys have been long-time psyche enthusiasts and dealers for my friends. i honestly don't see how buying DMT is different than LSD, or MDMA, or any of those other things. he wouldn't even let his mescaline go because on his test run some girl threw up (and that's not even uncommon), but my point is i'm not dealing with scumbags here. sure there's always room for error even when someone has the best intentions, but i honestly think i'd be more likely to mess up my extraction than the guys we get it from. if i had the resources i would definitely attempt the extraction myself but that's simply not an option right now. i've talked to others on forums and they seem to think its totally fine given the description. doesn't even sound like sodium hydroxide would vaporize at the same temperature as n,n DMT

 

[corpus callosum]

my issue is not my roommate. he's a chronic budsmoker. my issue is i don't have a kitchen. so making it is 100% out of the question. i'm not buying this from sketchy one-time street dealers, these guys have been long-time psyche enthusiasts and dealers for my friends. i honestly don't see how buying DMT is different than LSD, or MDMA, or any of those other things. he wouldn't even let his mescaline go because on his test run some girl threw up (and that's not even uncommon), but my point is i'm not dealing with scumbags here. sure there's always room for error even when someone has the best intentions, but i honestly think i'd be more likely to mess up my extraction than the guys we get it from. if i had the resources i would definitely attempt the extraction myself but that's simply not an option right now. i've talked to others on forums and they seem to think its totally fine given the description. doesn't even sound like sodium hydroxide would vaporize at the same temperature as n,n DMT

I understand where you are coming from but the next time you make a post, have a look at the writing in orange at the top of the page which draws your attention to one of the few rules we have here.

 

[JacksonMetaller]

my issue is not my roommate. he's a chronic budsmoker. my issue is i don't have a kitchen. so making it is 100% out of the question. i'm not buying this from sketchy one-time street dealers, these guys have been long-time psyche enthusiasts and dealers for my friends. i honestly don't see how buying DMT is different than LSD, or MDMA, or any of those other things. he wouldn't even let his mescaline go because on his test run some girl threw up (and that's not even uncommon), but my point is i'm not dealing with scumbags here. sure there's always room for error even when someone has the best intentions, but i honestly think i'd be more likely to mess up my extraction than the guys we get it from. if i had the resources i would definitely attempt the extraction myself but that's simply not an option right now. i've talked to others on forums and they seem to think its totally fine given the description. doesn't even sound like sodium hydroxide would vaporize at the same temperature as n,n DMT

I understand where you are coming from but the next time you make a post, have a look at the writing in orange at the top of the page which draws your attention to one of the few rules we have here.

i did and if you read my posts further up you'll see a "ps" and an apology if what i said was breaking the rules. but my response to the other guy somewhat required an explanation. i asked if what i said was against the rules and no-one responded so i assumed it was only against the rules to discuss the practice of selling drugs not simply acknowledging the sale of drugs