Questions on evaporation

[zeekborg]

Hey I was wondering If i could get some insight on what the nexus thinks about evaporating solvent instead of freeze precip. From what I understand you can evaporate off naptha to leave spice instead of freeze precip I was interested in this because of a lack of a cold freezer so besides wasting solvent would this work well? How about smell for small extractions 50g-100g MHRB?

Also another related topic that I felt I should include here (so i don't have to clutter the nursery with another thread) when making changa will 70% rubbing alcohol work well to dissolve and evaporate. Also I was wondering if you could use any leaf or if it has to be an MAOI (guess what I want to make is more enhanced leaf then changa).

Thanks in advance

 

[RigelL]

Hey zeekborg!

About evaping, as long as you have a clean solvent it is fine, you´ll just get more oils and other alkaloids along with your spice. If you´re into white spice i guess you can later do a clean up or several.And for the smell if your house is not without windows and you do have a fan you´ll be fine, the only thing you´ll be smelling is the indole.

In order to have CHANGA you must have a MAOI in the mix, if u don´t it´s just enhanced leaf. You can use almost any plant but check the wiki for the normal admixtures. My fav is Minth (morrocan, pepper, etc, they´re all delicious) and Caapi.

Safe travels

 

[endlessness]

As he said.. Except you dont really get 'other alkaloids' because naphtha only pulls dmt (and plant oils) anyways. But yeah considering your solvent evaporates cleanly, evaporating will be fine.

You can infuse herbs without MAOI, as he said, it wont be changa but it will be enhanced herbs.. It works perfectly, though, I have already infused different kinds of non-MAOI herbs and it worked perfectly, like chamomile or mint.

 

[RigelL]

As he said..

she...

Except you dont really get 'other alkaloids' because naphtha only pulls dmt (and plant oils) anyways.

OOps i didn´t read the part were he mentioned the naphta. But r u sure about this? Cause i did a while back a pull were i mistakenly overheated the entire jar with the MHRB solution and naphta on top and i got some funky spice ( it looks like jungle). And i was pulling with naphta, not limonele.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

But r u sure about this? Cause i did a while back a pull were i mistakenly overheated the entire jar with the MHRB solution and naphta on top and i got some funky spice ( it looks like jungle). And i was pulling with naphta, not limonele.

Plant fats and oils...UNLESS, your naptha has a large fraction of xylene in it...then it could be other alks (but even then its still mostly dmt). But given that it was as a result of you overheating the jar, you most likely made the fats and oils more soluble in the naptha, so you pulled more of them, resulting in a darker/jungle-looking spice. That's one of the reasons that color alone is not a good indicator of how pure your spice is/what's in it.

 

[endlessness]

she, sorry

yeah im sure that if its aliphatic naphtha it wont pull other alkaloids. Take a look at this wiki page, youll see that the other alkaloid (which is anyways only present in very trace amounts, as burnt has shown in his tests), such as 2-methyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydrobetacarboline, as well as dmt n-oxide, all have a too low xlogp compared to DMT, meaning they are too polar, while aliphatic naphtha is too non-polar so it will only pull dmt.

As for the 'funny looks' of your alkaloids, you cant judge alkaloid content by the looks of a product. As I argued in this thread, color is a poor indicator of alkaloid purity. It could very well be plant oils and other inactive impurities

The only thing that could happen is if your naphtha is not pure aliphatic mix but rather has aromatic hydrocarbons mixed in it, such as xylene, in which case, depending on amount, it might also pull more plant oils and also a small amount of these alkaloids

 

[RigelL]

dammm
I was already planning to start extracting jungle with naphta guess i have to start looking for xylene then

Thanks for the info! Always nice to know more

 

[zeekborg]

allright thanks for all the good answers so far. I don't really care too much about the purity of my crystals I have strong enough lungs to be able to take in the oils smoke. I figure since Im prolly only be evaping around 50-100 mls of naptha at a time the smell wont be too much of an issue.

I'm going on a short trip for about four days so I left some cloudy naptha (was in the freezer before I had to move it) in a relatively wide dish, so hopefully it will either be evaporated or well on its way (about 80 mls) by the time i get back and I'll see a few crystals.

Also the other reason I'm considering evap as opposed to freeze precip is that when i freeze precip I found alot of my crystals dissolved while pouring off the solvent and then got stuck in my filter (out of curiosity I tried vaping the spice out of the filter paper... It worked :twisted. But I'd rather be able to measure out the spice more accurately.

As for enhanced leaf would tobacco work? Also would it be better to use a high proof alcohol like everclear or the 70% isopropyl rubbing alcohol I have kicking around?

 

[gammagore]

As for enhanced leaf would tobacco work? Also would it be better to use a high proof alcohol like everclear or the 70% isopropyl rubbing alcohol I have kicking around?

Ive never used either of them, but they should both work just fine.

I wouldnt use tobacco dude, smoking tobacco out of a bong could be pretty harsh. Invest in some caapi leaves, I promise you wont be disapointed. If you are in a hurry, go down to your local herb store and ask for some Mullein. Realy nice to enhance, easy to smoke and goes down pretty well. Blue/pink Lotus, peppermint, lavender, passionflower( while not the best tasting herb, it does have some MAOI, and makes for a pretty electric experience). These are all readily available herb.

Also, once you have evaped it all, and arent happy with the results, you could do a re-x and clean it up a bit.

 

[KinkyJohn]

SLIM's lab monkey has done an evap before. Got a lot smaller crystals and they were extremely hard to scrape up and get meaningful quantities from. SLIM's monkey obviously threw them in the bin, but suspects they would smoke fine.

 

[zeekborg]

I found that the crystal sizes on when I did my freeze precip were quite small anyways, so I dont think it should be too much of an issue.

Thanks for the suggestions gammagore, do you think that a health food store would have that I'm not sure if I have a "herb shop" in town (could do some digging) but know of a couple health food places so if they have them it would save me a bit of searching.

 

[endlessness]

dammm
I was already planning to start extracting jungle with naphta guess i have to start looking for xylene then

Thanks for the info! Always nice to know more

or better yet, limonene... xylene is (imo) so nasty, limonene is just soooooooo much nicer to work with.

Also the other reason I'm considering evap as opposed to freeze precip is that when i freeze precip I found alot of my crystals dissolved while pouring off the solvent and then got stuck in my filter (out of curiosity I tried vaping the spice out of the filter paper... It worked :twisted. But I'd rather be able to measure out the spice more accurately.

As for enhanced leaf would tobacco work? Also would it be better to use a high proof alcohol like everclear or the 70% isopropyl rubbing alcohol I have kicking around?

Remember to check the FAQ, there's a good tip on preventing this melting crystal issue with freeze

Also, why do you vap the filter? you could just wash it with warm naphtha to retrieve your crystals if that happens (which wouldnt if you follow the tip above), and then freeze it

 

[zeekborg]

sorry for the late reply just got back to a computer. Tried the link but didnt work for me, could you resend it or something? As for the filter paper I just didn't think of it but if it happens again I'll do that. As for now tho I have a tray of Naptha evaporating and I think its gonna work out, sort of wasteful of solvent but with my situation I think that evap is going to work better.

 

[endlessness]

Do as you please but there is really no problem at all with freeze precipitation if you know how to retrieve your crystals.. go to FAQ - DMT Frequently Asked Questions and Troubleshooting Guide - DMT-Nexus Wiki , and question 4.16

Evaporating so much solvent is indeed a waste IMO

 

[zeekborg]

thanks endlessness thats such a good yet simple idea maybe if I can I'll try another freeze precip with that technique because I agree evapping is a waste of good solvent.