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Quidding Caapi Leaves for sublingual dosing

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So in a means to be more self sustainable in my use I had this idea. The vine can be left to grow and thicken more while still dosing with leaf which is much weaker in content.
From older reports I've read its at minimum 1/5 the dose of vine. With the vine I love just drinking as a tea at 200mg harmalas it is enough to activate DMT but am aware that sublingual dosing you can use 30-50mg and have the same activation.

I tested 10 fresh caapi leaves of medium size. I quid the leaves and kept the juices under the tongue for a while. Then I just swallowed the leaf material since not too much.

20m I took 10mg of DMT benzoate since I've dosed this a few times I'm aware of the effects I commonly get and will be a nice and easy metric to use.

40m I had slight euphoria but it was weak... I didn't get the usual head rush which is common with tryptamine. There was slight color saturation

45m Slight increase in heart rate but not too fast more strong and you can feel each beat. I also felt a sort of "vibration" not shaking just an internal feeling

For the next hour I had color saturation but no clear DMT effects that I've ahd at this dose when take a compelte MAOI dosage.

2H I was completely baseline

I'll be increasing my dosage with time but was wondering if anyone has an established amount they use already? Extracting the caapi leaves isn't worth while unless already have a large amount dried.
 
Ive chewed caapi leaves a bunch of times, in colder/drier times of year it seems stronger and ive had very discernable effects from 1 leaf. Something ive not yet done is chewed the leaf and taken some dmt. Your report here is very interesting to me though. i think this is a promising ROA. If I lived closer to my growing vine right now I'd join you in the testing. I may be able to get access to fresh leaf in the next few weeks though.
 
Animistic said:
Ive chewed caapi leaves a bunch of times, in colder/drier times of year it seems stronger and ive had very discernable effects from 1 leaf. Something ive not yet done is chewed the leaf and taken some dmt. Your report here is very interesting to me though. i think this is a promising ROA. If I lived closer to my growing vine right now I'd join you in the testing. I may be able to get access to fresh leaf in the next few weeks though.
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dry leaves wouldn’t be a bad test either just wanted to establish a POC at possible range. I guess if too much material needed to quid maybe a 5-10x concentrate will work sublingual for this route.
 
Interesting report. Thanks for sharing.

I've heard it said alkaloidally b. Caapi and s. Rue are identical. Surely the amounts must vary however can anyone chime in on this?

Ive been swallowing rue powder followed by acacia raw bark with great success. I'm wondering if others also enjoy this method of simplicity.

Have you considered attempting the same however instead of pure dmt eating some bark powder?
 
They're different in that caapi is harmine dominant and the vine contains THH whereas rue is primarily harmaline dominant. You'll likely find examples where this isn't true but I wouldn't say the content is identical nor the subjective experience.

One thing I could see as potentially relevant with barks is that they'd be slower release and so maybe timing would be different to eating crystal. I've no experience with capped bark and only one experience with taking extracted DMT orally, preferring the brew route myself, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
 
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Interesting report. Thanks for sharing.

I've heard it said alkaloidally b. Caapi and s. Rue are identical. Surely the amounts must vary however can anyone chime in on this?

Ive been swallowing rue powder followed by acacia raw bark with great success. I'm wondering if others also enjoy this method of simplicity.

Have you considered attempting the same however instead of pure dmt eating some bark powder?
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Caapi and Rue are subjectively quite different. For me, Rue, most likely due to high amount of harmaline and low of THH, is too heavy, not so joyful as is Caapi.

Ime from various extractions Rue contains 3-6% of alkaloids, Caapi 0.8-2%, and Caapi leaves 0.2-0.4%.
 
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Thanks for your insight friends.

I consumed b. Caapi plus either mimosa or chacruna a handful of times though never alone. Those experiences were held in a format where, for me, I found myself largely unable to more deeply engage in rapport with the medicine. Nonetheless I got a good taste of it.

The experience with rue and acrb felt extremely similar energetically though the more I reflect I do recall patent differences. Though my solo dose was at least a third the strength of the potions as the visuals with rue/acacia were quite a bit lesser in intensity.

Anyways, thanks for the thread @modern.

Can anyone recommend either red, yellow, or black? Why might one choose one over the other?
 
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