Re boiled ACRB yeilds nice surprise

[indydude19]

If you get a low yield out of your ACRB, i suggest you do NOT throw it away until you try letting it set for a few days and then reboiling as if it had never been boiled in the first place. You may find the problem was not in the bark but in the process. Here's a good example that demonstrates this lesson.

An extraction had recently been done with 1 kg ACRB, three 2 1/2-3 hour boils were used. The yield was much less than satisfactory, yielding 2g pasty nmt/fats/other alkaloid type substance that was smooth and solid, and 3g pure white fluffy crystal deliciousness. The ACRB was kept for further experimentation based on the low yield.

Oh what a good idea that was. A week later, after letting the already boiled bark sit in the freezer, another cycle of boiling and extraction was done. This time, the yield was about 6 grams of slightly yellow crystal powder.

A very nice surprise since pulls are still taking place. More boils may yet come to see what happens.

 

[PowerfulMedicine]

I recently did a similar experiment, but I was using the ACRB for anahuasca. I had similar but different results. It was similar in that rebrewing the material did extract some more DMT. But the difference was that it was only a small amount.

I originally brewed 20g of ACRB, but I did like 10 boils and the material was boiling for about 15 hours total. This lead to strong effects when combined with a 5g syrian rue brew.

When I rebrewed it, I did 10 boils for 1 hour each. This brew only produced threshold effects when combined with a 3g syrian rue brew.

It seems to me that the reason that your second extraction worked so well was because you didn't boil it very long for the first extraction. Your first extraction probably would have yielded more if you had boiled the ACRB more.

 

[DonPeyote]

The last extraction I did, which yielded 5 grams from 500g ACRB, consisted of three boils, each boil 1 1/2 hours each.

I'm very happy with the results, and invested less than 5 hours for the acid boiling step.

Whats going on here?

I did grind my bark to a fine powder. Thogh I assume every one else does too.

Shouldn't ACRB have similar qualities wherever its grown?

I don't see the point for long drawn out boils.

 

[indydude19]

It seems to me that the reason that your second extraction worked so well was because you didn't boil it very long for the first extraction. Your first extraction probably would have yielded more if you had boiled the ACRB more.

Yea that was most likely the issue, i was short on time so i was a little naughty and cut my boils short. I'm excited to re boil it again and see what happens though :d

 

[indydude19]

The last extraction I did, which yielded 5 grams from 500g ACRB, consisted of three boils, each boil 1 1/2 hours each.

I'm very happy with the results, and invested less than 5 hours for the acid boiling step.

Whats going on here?

I did grind my bark to a fine powder. Thogh I assume every one else does too.

Shouldn't ACRB have similar qualities wherever its grown?

I don't see the point for long drawn out boils.

Would you be happy knowing that you could have possibly gotten 10 or more grams total?

The acid boils are good for making sure the reaction carries to completion and as much DMT as possible is absorbed into the solution. Thats not a bad yield but its quite possible you could have gotten twice as much.

Also there is some variation among plants, partly age has to do with it, but so do growing conditions. Also sometimes people get what they think is ACRB but actually just trunk bark or something.

 

[DonPeyote]

There is the little problem that Acacia Confusa has a limited alkaloid content: Reports vary somewhere between .5% up to possibly 1.5% percent of DMT. No matter how long you boil it, you still cannot change those numbers.

So 1000 grams could yield anywhere from 5 grams to possibly 15 grams if those ratios are valid.

My experience with the Acacia that I have personally harvested, has yielded between around .5% to almost 1.0% .

Nowhere in rhe literature are any claims about 2.0% DMT from ACRB, so no, boiling the root for days and days will not increase the yield to 20 grams...

 

[indydude19]

There is the little problem that Acacia Confusa has a limited alkaloid content: Reports vary somewhere between .5% up to possibly 1.5% percent of DMT. No matter how long you boil it, you still cannot change those numbers.

So 1000 grams could yield anywhere from 5 grams to possibly 15 grams if those ratios are valid.

My experience with the Acacia that I have personally harvested, has yielded between around .5% to almost 1.0% .

Nowhere in rhe literature are any claims about 2.0% DMT from ACRB, so no, boiling the root for days and days will not increase the yield to 20 grams...

I don't recall saying anything about boiling for days or getting 20 grams?? A friendlier tone on this thread would be much appreciated too.

After re-searching information i found there was one experiment done where 2.8% was extracted and hasn't been replicated, and a few unsubstantiated claims of 2% yields, so you have me there for the most part... But still that's an extra .5% you could possibly get

 

[PowerfulMedicine]

Shouldn't ACRB have similar qualities wherever its grown?

I would think that Acacia confusa would vary in chemical content just like any other plant. There may be a typical range for alkaloidal content, but I'm sure that you could grow acacia in poor conditions that lead to only traces or that there are optimal conditions for alkaloid production above the known range. And then there is always genetic differences that could influence alkaloid production.

Until every Acacia confusa plant on the planet is tested (and multiple times under different conditions at that) there is no way to be totally certain of the possible range of alkaloid content for this plant. And even then that range could change since plants are alive and undergo evolution just like any other living thing.

I don't see the point for long drawn out boils.

Then don't do long drawn out boils. To each there own. I personally like to be certain that I'm wasting as little DMT as possible. This stuff may grow on trees, but it still costs money (or time if you collect your own). More importantly though, I see this plant somewhat as a sacrament and therefore wish to treat it with reverence. I personally feel that utilizing this herb to the maximum extent possible is a sign of reverence.