Recalling Journey's

[3rdI]

Hello,

My friend is currently having a frustrating time trying to recall his experiences.
We frequently journey together, but I have found that i can remember quite alot from my journeys and he recalls nothing or very little.
We have a similar tolerance, and get similar effects, to most other substances, so he is confused as to why he has so little recall.
He has tried, upping the dosage and lowering dosage, meditation has been tried and smoking changa/infused leaf/crystals and jimjam have all been tried, but none of these variants seem to make any difference to him.

He really enjoys his time using the spice but he would like to be able to ponder on the experiences he has, instead of instantly forgetting them.

Has anyone else had this problem and managed to find a way to recall hyperspace?
Could it just be he needs longer to adapt to the experience?
Has anyone smoked for a long time(10+ years) and found that there recollection remained poor?


If someone can help him, he would be eternally greatfull.

Cheers

 

[Global]

He might want to take some MAOI and smoking some DMT to lengthen the experience so more can be remembered. I think our memory in every day life isn't as great as it's cracked up to be. We remember things more the way we expect to remember them and less about how we actually perceived them. The problem with hyperspace is that it can be so unfamiliar that any expectations to remember the experience by just kinda fall short and if you think of memory like a filing cabinet, your mind has few to none or weak labels to file these experiences away under. It's kind of like going on a roller coaster. As soon as you get off, you've already start to forget exactly what it was like, but you've been on enough roller coasters so your mind starts to make what seems to be a faithful representation of what just transpired. Now imagine that the scenery around the roller coaster is from a society that you have no familiarity with. After getting off the roller coaster, I'd imagine that you'd have a pretty difficult time faithfully recalling the details of some of the things you saw as they went blaring by at high speed. Obviously this wacky roller coaster is a metaphor for hyperspace. If your friend wants to increase his memory, I suggest he start making up false or weak labels for what he sees. For example, if he sees something in hyperspace that is vaguely reminiscent of a cat that he wants to remember, he should just start referring to it as a cat (even if it doesn't really look like one) because by giving it a label, when he wants to remember it later, it will be difficult to merely think of that hyperdimensional creature, but if he's stored it away in his memory as a cat, then when he goes searching through recall for "cat" he may just remember more of that cat or what was around that cat than he intended.

Likewise, I've found music to be helpful for recall. You may not have any kind of appropriate label for some bizarre hyperspatial object you encounter, but if you were listening to music when you saw it, and it was at a certain recognizable place in the song, that part of the song can serve as a memory label. If you listen back to the song after your hyperspace endeavors, you may find that when hearing a certain part of the song you go, "oh yeah, I remember seeing 'such and such' when I heard that."

I find that the more you do it, and the more familiar you become with it, the easier it is to remember, but it can still be difficult. If you see something that strikes you as intriguing during the experience, sometimes if you want to remember it, you almost have to start blocking other aspects out and concentrate on "ok, I'm gonna remember this detail" instead of trying to bring back the whole experience which is just unrealistic anyway.

 

[PrimalWisdom]

Likewise, I've found music to be helpful for recall. You may not have any kind of appropriate label for some bizarre hyperspatial object you encounter, but if you were listening to music when you saw it, and it was at a certain recognizable place in the song, that part of the song can serve as a memory label. If you listen back to the song after your hyperspace endeavors, you may find that when hearing a certain part of the song you go, "oh yeah, I remember seeing 'such and such' when I heard that."

I find that the more you do it, and the more familiar you become with it, the easier it is to remember, but it can still be difficult. If you see something that strikes you as intriguing during the experience, sometimes if you want to remember it, you almost have to start blocking other aspects out and concentrate on "ok, I'm gonna remember this detail" instead of trying to bring back the whole experience which is just unrealistic anyway.

Yeah I must agree, my journeys that are accompanied by music seem alot easier to remember. Likewise I tend to focus on aspects of them that I enjoy/want to explore more, trying to block out the peripheral madness that one finds in the places spice takes you.

Another thing that helps me is writing down as much as possible once I'm back. I got pretty good at keeping a dream journal which might also help my recall.

I think it might just be that he needs more time to familiarize himself with the themes or visions (not quite sure how to describe it) but once I found things that really resonated with me in "hyperspace" they seemed to crop up more and more, that been said some journeys can be completely devoid of any familiarity.

Best of luck your friend!

 

[3rdI]

I suggest he start making up false or weak labels for what he sees. For example, if he sees something in hyperspace that is vaguely reminiscent of a cat that he wants to remember, he should just start referring to it as a cat (even if it doesn't really look like one) because by giving it a label, when he wants to remember it later, it will be difficult to merely think of that hyperdimensional creature, but if he's stored it away in his memory as a cat, then when he goes searching through recall for "cat" he may just remember more of that cat or what was around that cat than he intended.

this could well be the answer.
I have been keeping quite detailed reports of all my sessions and i have remembered alot, i will get him to start writing down what he can.

I have suggested some rue tea before hand but he says he wants to experience a "pure" DMT experience beforehe starts using MAOI's. i will pass on your thoughts and see what he thinks, cheers

 

[FlyingFaders]

I have had similar problems. Keep at it. Keeping a dream journal and getting in the habit of writing stuff down as soon as possible after the event or dream may help. I have not found music much help. It merely lets me know I'm coming back when I can recognize it again. I have found yogic/flowing movements to help retain some focus in the state which helps recall later. Does not always work though! Good luck!

 

[Global]

I have suggested some rue tea before hand but he says he wants to experience a "pure" DMT experience beforehe starts using MAOI's. i will pass on your thoughts and see what he thinks, cheers

I'm a bit confused. It sounds like he's already had to have experienced a "pure DMT experience" if he can't remember things from hyperspace. In any case, if he's being so uncontrollably black outed from every experience, then MAOIs may be the only way for him to get an experience that he can remember. Also, if he's not a fan of the rue tea, which is completely reasonable, then you can always grind up the seeds and put them in gel caps with small holes poked in them. That way you can get the MAO inhibition and none of the terrible taste.

 

[3rdI]

I'm a bit confused. It sounds like he's already had to have experienced a "pure DMT experience" if he can't remember things from hyperspace. In any case, if he's being so uncontrollably black outed from every experience, then MAOIs may be the only way for him to get an experience that he can remember. Also, if he's not a fan of the rue tea, which is completely reasonable, then you can always grind up the seeds and put them in gel caps with small holes poked in them. That way you can get the MAO inhibition and none of the terrible taste.

He confused me as well, as there is 10X caapi extract in the changa.

Thanks for all your suggestions, i will pass them onto him.