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Red/Brown Naptha problem

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Mr Fantasy

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So my friend tried some prepowdered MHRB and got the redish brown naptha in the first pull, so he stuck it in the freezer for a bit and got the mud stuff on bottom with the goods stuck to it, :cry:
Has anyone figured out a way to clean the mud yet other than an A/B?
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Whoa...

That looks messssssssssssssssssssssy.

Mini-A/B fixed this issue for me. Alternate might be to do a sodium carbonate wash and see what happens.. A/B takes 5 minutes.. and then refreeze.
 
Yes sir do a little A/B I don't think a carb wash will knock it down. Alternately, swim once had a slightly less bad version of your problem and kept doing the heptane re-x process and recovered most of the goodies. But it took a long time and he is sure that there was still some magic left in the goo.

So dissolve that gunk is some acidic water, basify it again and re-pull with your solvent.

Btw I think it was caused (in swims case) by adding the MHRB while the lye was still reacting in the water. The first time it happened it was a mystery and may have been caused by something else. A few extractions later it happened again but that time swim was pretty sure he jumped the gun.
 
thanks guys. What would be the best way to do a mini A/B on this gunk? Is there a tek for doing a mini? My friend has never did an A/B before only STB teks.
 
Madcapv2 said:
So dissolve that gunk is some acidic water, basify it again and re-pull with your solvent.
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Swim would use white vinegar to re-disolve the gunk and then lye to basify. That may be overkill though, you may get away with diluted vinegar and sodium carb as the base.

Then, the gunk should stay behind in the water and your fresh solvent should pick up the sweetness.

Anyhow, that should get it done.
 
1. Take your vinegar, and pour it into the jar with the gunk/naptha/dmt

2. stir around, get everything nice and wet, do this for 2-5 minutes. Make sure you shake it hard (not necessary but good to do)

3. in a separate dish, take some baking soda and add it to roughly ~150-250mL water. You want to add enough that it gets cloudyish, but not so much to where its oversaturated (baking soda NOT dissolving anymore) a good thing to do is when you think its saturated enough, add scoopwise bicarbonate til you really see it not dissolving.

4. Pour the based water into the jar, CAREFULLY. Its going to get hot, and fizz everywhere, so slow and steady is key.

5. Mix well for 2-3 minutes.

6. add new naptha to the mix (you should still see some naptha on the top floating around), and gently roll for 2-4 minutes

7. wait for separation (should be pretty quick). Pull naptha, refreeze. success. glory. spiiiiiiiceeee.

8. Maybe do another smaller pull with more naptha (~40-50mL heated should suffice), and refreeze this separately, so as not to miss anything.

enjoy

-gir
 
Thanks guys, so far a mini A/B has been done and still brown naptha, so after a SC wash was done followed by fan drying, better but still a little sticky and dark. Next a recrystallization was done and another SC wash. Naptha is better now but a little foggy. In freezer again now, so will check in morning. All this was just from the 1st pull.

Funny thing is 2nd and 3rd pull came out normal clear yellowish.
 
Madcapv2 said:
Btw I think it was caused (in swims case) by adding the MHRB while the lye was still reacting in the water. The first time it happened it was a mystery and may have been caused by something else. A few extractions later it happened again but that time swim was pretty sure he jumped the gun.
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Your right, totally jumped the gun.
My friend tried another 50g of the same powdered bark and waited the proper amount of time to add naptha. First pull clear and formed white spice with a quick fan dry test.
 
Friends first pull off the 50g test came out pretty clean by just pulling and fan drying, no additional cleaning was done. So know I know the OP was brown and nasty from him jumping the gun on adding the naphtha to quickly.

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My friend is having this exact same problem. He keeps pulling brown naptha and is having trouble getting any spice after the first pull. Is there any specific type of vinegar that should be used?

He has been using a turkey baster, so smaller pulls might prove to be a challenge.
 
Do a BIG evap test on your camping fuel. There have been several cases of contaminated camping fuel. They put stuff in there to stop your camping stove from rusting and clogging etc. That stuff can sometimes react to the bases used in extraction.

Plain 5% white vinegar is totally fine. Just make sure its white vinegar...not cooking vinegar like red wine vinegar or balsamic.
 
Don't want to hijack this thread, but SWIM is having a similar problem. Used Whatcha's Tek on a lb of prepowered, suffering from the red/brown naptha. Pulled it and set in freezer just to observe what will happen.

I was wondering if I can/should do a mini A/B on the naptha as is, or if I should evap down the naptha and then do an A/B on the remaining material. Also, should I continue to pull with the Naptha, or can I introduce a large volume of Vinegar to the current MHRB/LYE/small amount of Naptha that is in the jug? This will change the pH to the acidic side (4-5), causing the spice to migrate to the vinegar, the fats and oils will stay behind in the Lye/Naptha yes?

I hope my questions were clear, and I apologize if I should have made my own post. I can also post pics if need be.

Many thanks
 
I had horribly red/brown naphtha from powdered bark recently.

Which is odd, considering I've done the extraction twice using the STB tek and with powdered bark.

It was disgusting. Anyway, I did a sodium carbonate wash, and it turned very pale yellow after I washed it.

The DMT from it, btw, was the best DMT I've ever had in my possession.

If you aren't familiar with how to do that, just go get some sodium carbonate from your local swimming pool store or something similar.

You use a pinch and nothing more of sodium carbonate and add it to the naphtha. After that, add 50-75 ml of distilled water and shake it vigorously for 30 seconds. THen let it sit, and once it settles take out the water.

Repeat this until you're naphtha is much clearer and cleaner.

Only use the pinch in the beginning though, each 50 ml you add needs no more sodium carbonate.

Good luck :)
 
I have been having this same problem aswell. Strangly enough I used the same Tek and powder MHRB. But now i get lots of mud.

My theory is, because the only thing that has changed is that the Naptha is getting too hot and sucks up all the mud.

I did not have this problem when i let the base mixture cool down more before using room temp naptha! :)

So watch the temp of your solution and warm naptha is only needed if your base is gone cold,
your gonna do multiple pulls anyway so warm naptha is not really needed anyway.

Hope it helps, but the mud is really potent aswell, might even be 'jungle' its soooo dmt stinky ;)

Cheers
V
 
I live in the south. It gets over 100f here, and I usually leave my stuff out in the garage, because its very stinky (no matter if you use limo, naptha, heptane, or fuckin febreeze). Anyways, I poured in about 65 ml of CRYSTAL clear naptha, and before the end of the night, it was red/yellow and disgusting. I just did a pull from a different extraction, inside where its nice and doesnt make you sweat down your crack, and it came out crystal clear and cloudy.

I agree to keep everything nice and cool. I will be working with my freezer open from now on... God I hate the south.
 
Guys, the heat will be PERFECT for the extraction. I kept mine in a garage and that's why it became red/brown.

If you do a sodium carbonate wash with distilled water 5-7 times with only one pinch of sodium carbonate I GUARANTEE you will have yellow naphtha after.

I did it yesterday as well. It was even browner than before, and after cleaning it, it looked like this STB tek and pictorial - UPDATED - The Psychedelic Experience - Shroomery Message Board

To be honest, my naphtha looked like the lye/water/bark mix UNDER the yellow naphtha, and after the many water washes with that one pinch of sodium carbonate, I swear it became the yellow, clear, pale liquid on top.

And I got 13 grams in one pull from a 1500 gram extraction... and it was all very clean yellow naphtha.

ALL from naphtha that looked the same as yours.
 
Angel_Above said:
And I got 13 grams in one pull from a 1500 gram extraction... and it was all very clean yellow naphtha.

ALL from naphtha that looked the same as yours.
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What tek did you use for the 1500 gram extraction? And more importantly what measument did you use?

Cheers,
V
 
Madcapv2 said:
Yes sir do a little A/B I don't think a carb wash will knock it down. Alternately, swim once had a slightly less bad version of your problem and kept doing the heptane re-x process and recovered most of the goodies. But it took a long time and he is sure that there was still some magic left in the goo.

So dissolve that gunk is some acidic water, basify it again and re-pull with your solvent.

Btw I think it was caused (in swims case) by adding the MHRB while the lye was still reacting in the water. The first time it happened it was a mystery and may have been caused by something else. A few extractions later it happened again but that time swim was pretty sure he jumped the gun.
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this is the second time this happened to my friend. i told him about your post before and tried tom ake sure the lye was done reacting before adding bark. i thnk it might be due to too much bark campared to the other things in the jar because he had to keep adding more water after adding bark because it was way too sludgy. maybe that water reacted that was added actually??? who knows. figured id say something. thanks everyone sorry for the type errors im on my way to work. eventually
 
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