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Repairing your relationship with DMT

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gdek

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I entered the world of DMT a year ago. I had an intense honeymoon period of a few months, then decided to slow down to integrate what happen. But during the following months I noticed that smoking DMT was becoming more difficult, now when I smoke I feel a strong headache coming with it. I decided to take a longer break, finish writing my trip reports, make sense of them, do my research, weed out the myths and bad info, etc... My psychological work is done, I understand what it taught me, and I feel more than ready to come back. Yet the headaches still persist. I can see the dreamworld is right there, opening itself to me, but the further I go the more I feel like my brain is imploding.
I was wondering if anyone has encountered a similar issue. Is there a way to overcome this, or is this fantastic adventure already over? It can't be. It just can't. The inner adventure is too good, it has helped me so much, I can't accept the idea that it's over without reason. Is it possible that DMT closes down on someone after some time?

One thing I've noticed though : the headaches never manifest themselves if I smoke it while on MDMA. It's better than nothing but I'm looking for a real solution. Which begs the question: maybe I should try Ayahuasca? MDMA and MAOI have completely different mechanisms but they operate in the same land, maybe both would lift the same lock. There's only one way to find out, but I don't want to stay with my head stuck under a hydraulic press for 4h in a row. Same question applies, does this situation ring a bell to anyone?

In a nutshell: why am I getting these headaches after many months just fine? Is this a bug or a feature, is this something to overcome or the signal that it's over?
 
It sounds like vasoconstriction. I have gotten it a few times, while on ayahuasca and iboga, and it was scary until I learned what it was. Lasted 30 min-1 hr. A lot of people get it on mushrooms as well. According to my experience, it doesn't have any spiritual message; it's a physical response you are experiencing.

Some ideas:
  • If you're taking any meds take a look at that.
  • Look at the quality of your materials like maybe there are solvents remaining.
  • Try different doses.
  • You could try it with harmalas. Changa might be less prone to headaches.
  • Perhaps examine your overall health as well.
As Ralph Waldo Emerson says:
"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.
Let that greatness within guide you ever onward."

All best,
JH
 
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Regarding the headaches, JH is likely correct about the vasoconstriction. Whether this is down to an alteration in the direct response of your vascular serotonergic receptors to the DMT, or if it's a side effect through a learned, autonomic adrenergic stress response, would require some unpicking.

It may be worth giving harmalas a try on their own, before perhaps slowly reintroducing small amounts of DMT to see how you respond. Maybe this approach would help you gain some more insight into what has been going on?
 
Thank you for your answers!

Regarding jungleheart's suggestions:
  • I am not following any medical treatment
  • They don't happen on other people using my product, and still happen on me when I use my old product that used to be fine
  • I'll try lower dosage, maybe if I give myself more time to go high it'll work better
  • This is a great idea, I'll try them
  • I got a recent check up, I have a weak immune system because of mold and humidity issues that I had to take care of but that's it.
I am glad to hear that it's probably an actual physiological response, it feels more likely to be solved one day.


Regarding Transform's insights:
Indeed, I will never mix Ayahuasca with anything else.
Long story short I've had an amazing run with DMT for 4 months then due to constant on/off sickness and difficulties to integrate some trip I only had two good experience since March (on MDMA). I have about two dozen small, short and unpleasant trip attempts that didn't got me anywhere. It is very well possible that it is a learned response but if it is then there must be a way to un-learn it.

Do you think going for very small trips one step at a time could help?

Also if I smoke even a tiny bit after taking harmala, wouldn't that be just like Ayahuasca? Meaning that the trip would be very long with very little DMT because of the MAOIs?
 
gdek said:
Thank you for your answers!

Regarding jungleheart's suggestions:
  • I am not following any medical treatment
  • They don't happen on other people using my product, and still happen on me when I use my old product that used to be fine
  • I'll try lower dosage, maybe if I give myself more time to go high it'll work better
  • This is a great idea, I'll try them
  • I got a recent check up, I have a weak immune system because of mold and humidity issues that I had to take care of but that's it.
I am glad to hear that it's probably an actual physiological response, it feels more likely to be solved one day.


Regarding Transform's insights:
Indeed, I will never mix Ayahuasca with anything else.
Long story short I've had an amazing run with DMT for 4 months then due to constant on/off sickness and difficulties to integrate some trip I only had two good experience since March (on MDMA). I have about two dozen small, short and unpleasant trip attempts that didn't got me anywhere. It is very well possible that it is a learned response but if it is then there must be a way to un-learn it.

Do you think going for very small trips one step at a time could help?

Also if I smoke even a tiny bit after taking harmala, wouldn't that be just like Ayahuasca? Meaning that the trip would be very long with very little DMT because of the MAOIs?
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The terminology used here for this - oral harmalas followed by smoalked DMT - is "vaporhuasca".

There are still secondary metabolic routes leading to DMT clearance, as well as harmalas being RIMAs and not irreversible MAOIs. A smaller DMT dose will therefore still last a correspondingly shorter time than a larger one, despite being lengthened somewhat by the MAOI effect.

There's a small 'complication' to the pharmacodynamics of the combination, in that harmala alkaloids themselves have something of a 5-HT₂ₐ affinity, leading to non-linear dose-response effects, both in terms of intensity as well as duration.

The only comparison I can make personally, however, is between a few low-dose changa experiences, which of course doesn't count as vaporhuasca. They've varied between full waking-dream teleportation to another world, albeit briefly and over in ten minutes, to rather mild but drawn out for two hours. I suspect the former will have been DMT-rich in proportion to harmalas, and the converse with the latter, although I wasn't party to this information.

[When dosing oral harmalas, I can only recall combining it with oral DMT - but this discussion has rather piqued my interest in vaporhuasca.]
 
I experience these headaches too. The last few years I have only done low dosages, which I am mostly OK with. But it bothers me that the fear of a painful pressure in my head while tripping is holding me back from going deeper again.

I think this discomfort is made worse IF the spice gets burnt. The first time it happened it was a hit of changa that definitely got to much direct flame. I usually vape, though - and the problem seems to be worse if I do e-mesh and less when I use my GVG. In other words, the more "gentle" way the DMT is vaporized in the GVG seems to be better for my head than using e-mesh.
 
I am expecting non-linear effects anyway because it was always the case, I never got a proper hold of how much I needed to smoke for which level of high, and I expect it to be even more confusing with harmala. All I know is that I appear to be less sensitive than average to DMT.
If it works out, I'll write some feedback and put the link down here, though it may not be before a while.


I would be fine with lower dosage but in my case the headaches occur at the beginning of the effect, if it doesn't improve then there's no point smoking at all.
I have two low power vapes with two different products, both used to be fine, now both aren't.
The fear of being hurt may play a role but as for every psychological issue, I don't see any obvious trick to avoid it. I don't know how much the anticipation of this bad reaction triggers it.
 
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