Reports of insect like beings while on DMT. My theory/veiwpoint

[Eliyahu]

Most people familiar with DMT have either experienced first hand or heard tales about encounters with beings that have insect, reptile or animal like qualities. I would like to attempt to shed some light on this phenomenon if I could.

I'm not trying to sound like a religious nut here even though I probably do but I would ask that skeptical folks just bare with me while I try and explain my position.

It is my personal belief from what I have seen that "GOD" is the "Father" of the
MULTI-tiverse.

I also believe that this "Father" created "Angels" which in turn created the UNI-verse, Earth included. These "Angels" Created man as well as all the creatures of Earth in their own image.


Why do I think this?

Because I commune with these "Angels" just about every time I smoke DMT or Take Ayahuasca. The thing about these Angels is..
...they don't look like fat babies or anything like that.

-From what I have seen the "Angels" actually bear a strong resemblance to Earthly insects, especially to bees and mantis's, some of them look like a combination of many things. The same is true with demons since they are just fallen angels. (Obviously Demons look and feel way more "poisonous" however)

These Angels also seem to exhibit "Hive" type behaviors. On the other hand I have noticed
Demons tend to Exhibit "Swarm" type behaviors.

One being I have met with looked like a cross between a wolf, a bat and a raven with the body of a man, it reminded me of certain Egyptian deities or perhaps a Kachina Doll. I have also seen entities that very much match the description of "the holy living creatures" from the book of Ezekiel.


There is a saying that goes "As above so Below" and I find this statement to ring quite true, at least from what I have experienced.

I would love to get some feedback on this...Also if anyone has a DMT insect story to share....please do

Thanks for readin' this

 

[Eliyahu]

WOW!

I guess this is too far out for anyone to respond to

My first post is a bomb!
Oh well!

 

[Tek]

Interesting idea, and I can see how it could be true from a certain perspective.

The only thing I can really say about this is I don't take the forms I see in hyperspace too seriously. For instance I've seen elves before, but I don't take it as an objective fact that these beings truly are elves. Perhaps I'm seeing some type of being (angel or demon since you use that terminology), and I interpret its essence as something innocent like an elf and so I see an elf.

Likewise with insects and some of the more strange things people see, I'm not sure if I can OBJECTIVELY interpret them as actually being insects, or if the closest approximation I can come to is 'insect-like' so that's what I see.

I like to sometimes consider the beings in hyperspace like chameleons or talking mirrors. In my opinion, yes they are real and present with me but because I personally NEED to have some visual interpretation of what I'm talking to, my mind generates an image that closely resembles the 'vibe' I get from the being. So I might see a horrible winged demon if I encounter a presence that isn't that friendly towards me, or I might see a beautiful mother type figure if I encounter a wise angelic being. Who can say for sure?

 

[amazingino]

Those are maybe Jinns, according to Qur'an, they can be good, evil or neutrally benevolent. They are made from "smokeless flame", probably the reason why they sometimes appear in different forms even though we can feel it is same entity.

 

[jamie]

Im not into angels and demons..I guess that has been your trip but it has not been mine. I find abrahamic religion to not be relevant to my experiences at all though and came to the conclusion long ago that there was not much use in it for me.. Sorry but it is only my own experience that none of this stuff rings true for me based on hundreds of these experiences.

I have contacted many insectoid beings though..I just dont call them angels.

I would not refer to "god" as "father"..for me god does not have male or female attributes like we do and so I cannot characterize it as such. I think that religions that worship dieties such as "heavenly fathers" and such are based around male patriarchy and a suppression of the feminine.

I find much more relevance in the old goddess religions that seemed to be more ahbout earth worhip, and in animistic paradigms in general.

The insectoids for me in some cases seemed to be just from other planets..but I dunno really..other times they seemed to occupy the space that the carrier wave encompasses..

The whole insectoid aspect has been present in basically every single high dose ayahuasca and mushroom experience I can remember..

 

[DeMenTed]

I honestly can't recall ever seeing insect like creatures. All the entities or images ive seen have been in humanoid form. Very alien looking humanoids like augmented highly developed things.

As for angels and gods mmmm that implies that when we leave this heirarchyl reality we move into another one. It goes against what entheogens have taught me. I have learned that there is a place in infinte reality that doesn't involve creators and people or things that are higher up the pecking order type of thing.

When you join the white light you become part of everything and worshipping a higher power isn't possible. You are the higher power imo

 

[acacian]

I think of the entities on the DMT experience to be like this universal consciousness which can communicate with us through an infinite amount of different forms. And for me personally, it feels like the different forms are used according to what it wishes to show and teach and are likened to our particular needs at the time maybe? Sometimes i almost get this feeling like the rough templet of my trip has been thought out by this being before i go in. Like last time i broke through there was no spiralling into the fractal universe as usual, but I instantly found myself in a blank white space with no usual psychedelic visions... just a chicken and a dummy with a blank white space. absolutely nothing more to it, and behind this vision was a voice telling me how it had reduced my teaching to a baby like theme because that is how ridiculous my attitude towards myself has been getting. I had been repeating my mistakes so much without thinking about concept of action and consequence literally enough.

It really felt like it had this lesson ready for me when i went in. After i accepted the much needed criticism/wisdom it went back to the more familiar dmt style realm of geometric patterning, accompanied by this divine male entity telling me that it is every thought, every experience and everything that i'd ever known and felt. He had veins of energy running through him like an electrical river intertwining through itself and I felt strong love emitting from him. I always seem to get very human-like entities when smoking spice, but way more divine looking -often wearing beautiful garments of ever spiralling patterns and waving all sorts of differen't devices around. This male being always has this little shaker with an interesting fluid inside that is poured through me and it feels like this thing is giving me the full cleanout.

I've never experienced the elves or insects in my trips personally, its always been much more human forms

 

[Eliyahu]

Well I have become one with the white light but I have yet to take over the Creators Position, not sure I would want that position.


I am fairly certain that although I am one with "God" or whatever you want to call it.

I did not actually create the multiverse.

But if you did that's cool...

I'm not trying to say you are wrong....I'm just sharing my veiw

 

[Eliyahu]

Jaime-

I also know that there is the whole God vs. Godess argument...

I just tend to veiw the creator as a masculine force..

I believe he sort of inpregnated the void in order to create the universe...
but that's just my veiw

I have felt feminine godess like higher powers too I just tend to think of them as Angels.

Haha I know your not into the Angels thing though..

so that probably sounds pretty silly to you

sounds like your into paganism..which is actually way closer to christianity than modern day "xtains" would have you believe

 

[jamie]

when I say "goddess" I am referring to my relation to gaia, the earth..not necessarily "god" as in the creator of everything..I dont think that force is masculine or feminin..I think that such dicotemy is a manifestation of complementary aspects of that force..

A masculine creator, if we are talking abotu creation as the sum of all parts does not compute for me and here is why..If god is masculine than where did the feminin come from? If god is masculin that would also in some ways put man higher up in the scheme of evolution than woman, which is something I dont vibe with. I think that essential force that binds everythng is neither male or female but both aspects represent complementary parts of that whole..

Think of it this way..if the universe is truely holographic than what is true on one level must apply to other levels. On this level men cannot impregnate other men and women cannot impregnate other women..it requires a man and a woman to come together to produce offspring. So if god is truely a masculin force than the idea that "he" alone is the ultimate creator makes little sense and would not support a holographic theory of the universe.

 

[Eliyahu]

From my understanding the universe is predominently female and male is a rarity. But that is just my opinion.

I personally believe that if there is a creator that it would posesss both feminine and masculine aspects and would probably be able self replicate... or create alone.

I use the father term because it is comfortable for me...maybe because I don't get along with my mother...I dunno.

I am definitely not trying to say "men are better". I understand that organized religion has used the "god is a man" idea to control women in society...And that's not the tradition that I am trying to adhere to..


Just for fun...next time you meet an insect being you can ask it is an Angel...
tell it that Elijah told you to ask..
:thumb_up:

I'm curios as to what they will tell you

 

[amazingino]

when I say "goddess" I am referring to my relation to gaia, the earth..not necessarily "god" as in the creator of everything..I dont think that force is masculine or feminin..I think that such dicotemy is a manifestation of complementary aspects of that force..

What makes you think the Earth is feminine? Mythology?

Think of it this way..if the universe is truely holographic than what is true on one level must apply to other levels. On this level men cannot impregnate other men and women cannot impregnate other women..it requires a man and a woman to come together to produce offspring. So if god is truely a masculin force than the idea that "he" alone is the ultimate creator makes little sense and would not support a holographic theory of the universe.

What if holographic fractal representation goes into one direction only?

For the infinity to exist, you don't need it on both "macro" and "micro" ends: infinity in just one direction is still infinity, and allows a supreme force to logically exist emanating all.

 

[Eliyahu]

Thank you Amazingo for putting into words what I was too stoned to properly describe...

I forgot about the whole macro-chasm, micro-chasm thing.

 

[DeMenTed]

Well I have become one with the white light but I have yet to take over the Creators Position, not sure I would want that position.


I am fairly certain that although I am one with "God" or whatever you want to call it.

I did not actually create the multiverse.

But if you did that's cool...

I'm not trying to say you are wrong....I'm just sharing my veiw

The more i think about this subject the more i'm leaning towards the idea that god is just life. All life is part of god and vice versa. I don't know if god created the multiverse or the multiverse created god (life)

Life and all it's combined knowledge and consciousness make up "god" if you will.

I'm probably way off but who knows

 

[Global]

What if holographic fractal representation goes into one direction only?

For the infinity to exist, you don't need it on both "macro" and "micro" ends: infinity in just one direction is still infinity, and allows a supreme force to logically exist emanating all.

I find this to be unlikely. So many traditions emphasize the kind of thought of "as above, so below". Let's take the Phi spiral for example. It's present in micro fauna (like sea shells), a variety of flora, some stars (the stars of Orion's belt make up part of the curve of the Phi spiral), the spiral of galaxies, and it's my guess that if we could "zoom out" far enough, that if there is a multiverse, that the various universes are probably arranged along a Phi spiral. The spiral's fractal identity indicates that it increases towards the macro ever-maintaining its proportions and descends towards the micro ever-maintaining its proportions.

 

[amazingino]

What if holographic fractal representation goes into one direction only?

For the infinity to exist, you don't need it on both "macro" and "micro" ends: infinity in just one direction is still infinity, and allows a supreme force to logically exist emanating all.

I find this to be unlikely. So many traditions emphasize the kind of thought of "as above, so below". Let's take the Phi spiral for example. It's present in micro fauna (like sea shells), a variety of flora, some stars (the stars of Orion's belt make up part of the curve of the Phi spiral), the spiral of galaxies, and it's my guess that if we could "zoom out" far enough, that if there is a multiverse, that the various universes are probably arranged along a Phi spiral. The spiral's fractal identity indicates that it increases towards the macro ever-maintaining its proportions and descends towards the micro ever-maintaining its proportions.

You are right but at the same time it is compatible with what I said, it doesn't need to be infinity on both ends to be equally infinite and repeating.
Infinity divided by 2 is still infinity, It shouldn't be difficult to grasp. We can be in the middle of the phi spiral, infinitely far away from the top and infinitely far away from the bottom at the same time, all that while the phi spiral itself is finite at one end. It is beauty of the infinity, you cannot divide it nor multiply it

 

[lyserge]

Interesting, Eliyahu. I did a google search for "insectoids Bible" and came up with book of Revelations, Chapter 9, wherein I found the below quote. It seems the only insectoid beings mentioned in the Book are of the "bad" variety. Any comment on this?

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

 

[Global]

What if holographic fractal representation goes into one direction only?

For the infinity to exist, you don't need it on both "macro" and "micro" ends: infinity in just one direction is still infinity, and allows a supreme force to logically exist emanating all.

I find this to be unlikely. So many traditions emphasize the kind of thought of "as above, so below". Let's take the Phi spiral for example. It's present in micro fauna (like sea shells), a variety of flora, some stars (the stars of Orion's belt make up part of the curve of the Phi spiral), the spiral of galaxies, and it's my guess that if we could "zoom out" far enough, that if there is a multiverse, that the various universes are probably arranged along a Phi spiral. The spiral's fractal identity indicates that it increases towards the macro ever-maintaining its proportions and descends towards the micro ever-maintaining its proportions.

You are right but at the same time it is compatible with what I said, it doesn't need to be infinity on both ends to be equally infinite and repeating.
Infinity divided by 2 is still infinity, It shouldn't be difficult to grasp. We can be in the middle of the phi spiral, infinitely far away from the top and infinitely far away from the bottom at the same time, all that while the phi spiral itself is finite at one end. It is beauty of the infinity, you cannot divide it nor multiply it

If you can be infinitely far away from the bottom, then the "bottom" would have to logically be negative infinity for such a statement to make any kind of sense. It spirals downwards towards negative infinity.

 

[amazingino]

What if holographic fractal representation goes into one direction only?

For the infinity to exist, you don't need it on both "macro" and "micro" ends: infinity in just one direction is still infinity, and allows a supreme force to logically exist emanating all.

I find this to be unlikely. So many traditions emphasize the kind of thought of "as above, so below". Let's take the Phi spiral for example. It's present in micro fauna (like sea shells), a variety of flora, some stars (the stars of Orion's belt make up part of the curve of the Phi spiral), the spiral of galaxies, and it's my guess that if we could "zoom out" far enough, that if there is a multiverse, that the various universes are probably arranged along a Phi spiral. The spiral's fractal identity indicates that it increases towards the macro ever-maintaining its proportions and descends towards the micro ever-maintaining its proportions.

You are right but at the same time it is compatible with what I said, it doesn't need to be infinity on both ends to be equally infinite and repeating.
Infinity divided by 2 is still infinity, It shouldn't be difficult to grasp. We can be in the middle of the phi spiral, infinitely far away from the top and infinitely far away from the bottom at the same time, all that while the phi spiral itself is finite at one end. It is beauty of the infinity, you cannot divide it nor multiply it

If you can be infinitely far away from the bottom, then the "bottom" would have to logically be negative infinity for such a statement to make any kind of sense. It spirals downwards towards negative infinity.

Lets make it simple, imagine you have a line starting from point O (origin) and going to infinity. There is infinity of points infinitely far away from O. If you doubt it, then I have no more arguments to put on the table! If you agree, then you have infinity of points infinitely far away from 0 at one side and also infinitely far away from infinity on the other side. It is mathematics, as I said, a fraction of infinity can also be infinity, and it contains infinity of infinity fractions.

 

[Eliyahu]

lyserge...

The book of revelations is super hard to translate...

Honestly I have not gotten that far in my studies yet so I can't give you a good answer that is not pure speculation....

I am still learning Hebrew and the Old testament...I do plan on learning Greek and the New Testament but I am still a ways away from that....

The closest thing I can correlate my experience to is the Holy Living Creatures from the book of Ezekiel...

Personally however (and this is just MY belief)
I believe that the "DMT" aliens or angels will return to this earth in "physical" form at some point in the future. They will have Yeshua as their leader and they will pretty much take back full control of this planet....I'm sure there will be some resistance to this...
Imagine primitive armies attempting to battle with billion year old Yawehic Aliens-

I bet it would get ugly.
That would be one Interpretation of Revelation.

But hey everyone please remember this is just my OPINION....based on my wacky experiences.
Please don't take this too seriously.

Thanks-