100% agreed Ron - vinegar makes me feel sick - the smell makes me want to run for the hills and it makes my sweat smell siff.

I listen to my body over anything.

Im preddy sure it was that post about sulphates but im almost sure it mentioned acetates too - maybe it was another post but i know for a fact i read that here - perhaps the post has been deleted caus i cant find the reference no matter how hard i search. I should have found the reference before posting so sorry about that.

Blizz - "Why mention toxicity as a reason for using limo/vinegar, when swiy is only going to wash it with something such as MEK? Seems like that negates the argument."

If you wash a sock in acetone then put it on the washing line outside - does it contain acetone 1 day later ? i think not - mek evaporates cleanly and its used to wash the salt.

Im not a chemist so this explanation could be dodgy - if it is im sure someone will point out the issues with what i said.

When an alkaloid is in salt form it is the active molecule + the salt selected for use - like dmt + fumarate, acetate, hcl, sulphate, oxylate, etc...

So if a poisonous acid like oxalic acid was used then the salt has a portion that is poisonous.

Vinegar is used quite alot where i live too but i know im not the only person to hates it with a passion.

Just out of interest - and again im not the only one that feels this way - but i wont use ammonia - that also just freaks me out on some deeper - dont touch it - level.