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I revolted against the net for nearly 9 years (to get with the plants), but returning & discovering this site makes me glad how it's grown. Years back entheogenic forums on the net could be nerdy or messy places, but now i really can feel the expanded shared learning from the growth...
By 'nerdy' i mean pure informationalists...the substances but little on technique, more science, less heart, though many of the people had great heart & spirit.
Information is important which is why i return to the networld to meet co-contributors...a lot of new plant ids are appearing faster than before..more options. But what i would mainly like to postulate in this intro. is the question i used to ask those who argued that
DMT, if purified, was the same whether it was synthetic or extracted from a plant. I would ask them:
"If i shredded up your
grandmother, extracted the DMT out of her cerebralspinal fluid., purified it and asked you to smoke it, would that be the same?"

It's just a philosophical question, meant more in humour, but i don't remember ever getting a verbal answer.

The longer i've worked with these plants i've come to see respecting these "gatekeeper" lifeforms as a key symbiosis in whatever it is that brings all of you nexians here.
I've unfortunately seen some insensitive overharvesting in wild areas by some not as conscious of the respect i feel these sources deserve. On the whole though i'm thrilled by the awareness that's popping up all over the place
As for the information, there are updates on this and the Wiki site, especially in the acacia field. I made a small posting on some in the open forum, and i'm aware of several research groups who've uncovered up to an additional 50 species (!) containing interesting tryptamines. At least 8 have been successfully bioassayed in the past 5 years. While some are rare and need caring treatment, several are common over vast areas of land (& can grow in a wide range of climates).
Acacias are also great at symbiosing with nitrogen-fixing soil bacteria to enrich their surroundings...

Thankyou all involved in this new community i've discovered!
 
Welcome to the Nexus!

I wouldnt shredd my grandmother, that would be the main issue, not that the DMT would carry any "karma" with it imo. DMT is DMT, no matter where it comes from. If you say that anything appart from the chemical pharmacology is "stuck" to the molecule, then the burden of proof would be on you to come up with some evidence for it (for example how about some blind test of synthetic vs extracted?), or at least a good argument in what form that attached information would be and what kind of mechanism would be responsible for this "information attachment".

If you take that argument to the extreme, you'll see how many issues it brings instead of solving. For example, does a material used by, say, nazis, contain that 'bad karma'? So what if some material used by them was thrown in nature, and it degraded and got absorbed by plants around. If you ate any of those plants would you also get 'bad karma'? What if hundreds of years have passed? Does passing through a living organism eliminate karma? Or how does it work, is the strenght of 'bad karma' proportional to amount of material, or to time passed? What if you use something that was negative and use it for a positive purpose. For example what if you get some food that was from some killer and give it to starving children, are they getting bad karma? etc etc

Anyways, glad to have you here and thanks for the acacia info... Now back to you, it seems implied in your post that you have quite some experience with dmt and psychedelics, but it isnt explicit. So did you smoke dmt yet? What about oral dmt/ayahuasca? You have been taking a break from internet, was this break also from psychedelics? What is your favourite setting to consume oral/vapped psychedelics?

See you around!
 
good answer...(superstring theory hypothesises there could be deeper information levels attached to even individual atoms incl. 'memory'), its not a deadly serious point, i just like hearing how people respond. Knowing the source of product almost certainly influences the experience.
as for me, to answer briefly now, i was heavily involved in early -90s acacia dmt research while at university and have pretty much tried every known ingestion route (except enema)...my break was from interacting publicly with the wider entheogenic community as i felt more extensive work was needed to resolve speculation re constituents/technique/botany. (Have spoken as Nen at several Australian conferences) My break was also to experiment with living in an older style trainee shamanic way...a more subjective and for me spirtually(for want of a better word) reflective lifestyle. This enabled me to get a lot of botanical and repeated bio-assay experiments done,as well as some conservation work (as there really was a bit of very visible damage in National Parks around 10 years ago.
my preferred method and setting for pure dmt (lab,plant or pineal) would be vapourization in a glass pipe (aprrox 3 large inhalations) in silent or quiet darkness or in nature settings, alone or with a trusted friend. Intent: learning or healing
i haven't been a total hermit and have kept contact with other researchers. i know there's a lot of unpublished data out there, some of which needs to enter the open domain. now seems like a good time to get out there again.
i have never stopped semi regular bioassay. used sensibly tryptamines can improve one's life experience. that's what they've done for me.
so sorry my first intro wasn't too personal...just easn' back into interaction in the modern age. It's been a really interesting journey for sure.
see u about too...
 
swim is a noob at extractions
but you should not shred your grandma , you should use a syringe to directly extract it from her pineal gland :lol: , try it when she's sleeping as there might be more dmt in the system then as some have said it has something to do with dreaming

steps - take a clean syringe , point it straight for grandma's upper forehead , punch the syringe down into her forehead , hold her arms and legs if she tries to get up and get your syringe all the way into her forehead , pull the syringe up and when you have the whole pineal fluid in syringe pull it out of grandma ( optional - knock your grandma out before doing this , use medicines or just punch her and save some cash:lol: )

follow any extraction process after that to see how it goes , if all else fails get some mhrb
 
I'm glad you like what you see, welcome back to the internet!
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hey Thanks EquaL Observer, from way back last week, i can see more clearly now for sure!:)

..and dear synchroneyes,

while i don't know a lot about homeopathic principles, string theory, or Bohm's Implicate/Explicate Order -type theories offer a basis for such
memory or 'vibration' based belief systems, also to where an 'infinite information download' ("Direct Addressing Of The Organism" T.McKenna)) type altered experience
may eminate from (other than the brain, or somekind of Gain/Galactian Telepathy Field).
wild speculation of course, but...hey?

thanks all nexians...:)
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm all about science (former materials engineer now chemistry student), but there's something missing from their picture (maybe there's some stuff I still haven't read about yet). I think there IS some kind of energy we don't know about that connects molecules in ways we cant imagine, I like to call it consciousness energy. I'm pretty sure I saw it while in a forest tripping on 5 hits of high strength blotter. It what makes memories, or even that feeling you get like you knew someone from a past life or forever even though you just met them. Why do we get attached to certain objects? same energy. In some indigenous tribes they eat the flesh of their dead ancestors for various reasons, a lot of times it is for spiritual connection, sometimes it is to gain their wisdom/experience so it is not wasted. Sometimes tribes will eat the flesh of their dead enemies to gain their strength. A little sick for me, sure, but there are definitely some things science cant explain that native tribes have been explaining for thousands and thousands of years, just in a different way (spiritual drugs and enlightenment being a prime example).
 
..thanks psych0naut, for your observations.

perhaps a less gruesome example (& far more common - only a few islander & new guinea tribes practice ritual eating to my knowledge, resulting in
bad brain disesaes) would be the 'manitou' concept...that a person's personal possessions etc. carry an aspect of their spirit, or that rocks/rivers etc possess
manitou (spirit).. ultimately all manitou derives from the Great Manitou...

i personally believe in plant 'spirits', whatever the science or philosophy norms say...that i form a relationship (even purely psychic) with the particular plant
source of an entheogen is more crucial to me than defining/refining that substance.

but i like to have, (as a friend put it after browsing the nexus recently), 'both L & R brain hemispheres fully functioning in balance...':)

Why do we get attached to certain objects? same energy.
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..exactly,

blessings...
 
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