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S.H.E. March 13th. Epic Failure.

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Eternity

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Hey everyone,

Here is my friend's report as promised detailing what happened during his experiences during the S.H.E. and his very problematic outcome. More interesting and inspiring however, it details the startling success of his friend, who also participated, on her second and third psychedelic trips (or drug dosing for that matter) ever. I quote his letter:

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I woke up in the morning with a strange feeling that I should smoke the spice today. I logged onto the Nexus first thing, and as it turned out, it was the day of the Synchronized Hyperspace Event of March 13th. I took arrangements to be prepared with my sitter at 8:00pm local time.


Set

Nothing noteworthy to mention here. Everything in life was running along smoothly. I was excited to be participating in my first ever S.H.E. and I didn't know what to expect. My sitter, as usual, had the same set as me. I will mention that 15 minutes before the "launch" I was feeling what I would describe as moderate to heavy anxiety.


Setting

The event would take place at my apartment. We arrived little late (7:20pm) and had to clean the place at a quick pace to prepare for the event. Once clean, I lit a few dozen candles, some incense, and put on some relaxing music. I logged into the chat room here on the nexus and checked in with those already there.



The experience

I will summarize both my experiences spaced out over one hour at the same time.

Dose: Unknown
Method of administration: Vapor from "The Machine"
Time of administration: 8:15pm and 9:30pm

Upon finishing my deep breathing I loaded the Machine with what I perceived as a moderate dose (approximately equivalent to a pile on a dime), lit the candle to be used as a lighter, and put the pipe to my mouth. My sitter held up the candle, and I began to inhale. I tried inhaling until everything was gone, but apparently only took a bit under 2 full hits. Mild effects were experienced with closed eyes, none whatsoever with open eyes. CEVs included shapes and dim colors, as well as some sort of tunnel appearing again. as I was seeing this thing appear I kept repeating to myself "take me, take me, do whatever you want with me but I must see". I had a feeling that I was to tense, and on the come down managed to loosen up all my muscles in my body. Physical effects experienced were the usual occasional shakes, head moving from side to side periodically, and opening and closing of one or both hands. After 7 minutes, I was back, and a little disappointed.

The second attempt had me loading a much greater amount of spice into the machine. I instructed my sitter to talk me through the smoking to know when I have a good hit coming, and to talk me through finishing the whole dose. As I was inhaling I began having moderate to high OEVs where the room began to shift and change into something else. There seems to be trails following my hand, the pipe, and my sitter's hand. After the was nothing left to smoke, I lay back and closed my eyes. I began seeing some kind of massive grid floating in what seemed like space. It was composed of grey and purple colors with something at the center and was rotating. I only got glimpses of this object. Next, I was in some sort of cavernous room with green, then red and orange flaming pillars. This reminded me for some reason of what hell must look like (if you happen to be Christian). I sensed some kind of giant flaming head drop down from above and stare me down with the attitude of "though shalt not pass". I came down after 10 minutes.

In between my attempts, my sitter tried administrating the DMT to herself for the second and third times ever, her first being 1 hit with threshold effects on one of my previous attempts this month. Needless to say, on both of her tries (one in between mine, and one after) she experienced no less that what can be considered by this community as a full breakthrough. Her reality was completely replaced, she saw entities that communicated with her and took her into some place that she cannot describe. She said that she had no more sense of self and did not know if it was me was experiencing this or her. She met some "massive" cosmic beings that told her they are always waiting, that they love her, and that I will eventually make it there as well. They said you must go in with love. Throughout the whole experience she was laughing with tears coming down her eyes. When she came down after 10 minutes, she said it was those most beautiful, indescribable thing she had ever seen. It also seems to have cured a fear of the dark that she has always had, and promoted a healthy load of self reflection. The next day together we went horseback riding in the mountains, and she began crying for no reason. She said its because she was thinking of how beautiful her experience was.


The problem


After my first attempt at the S.H.E. I was slightly disappointed. After her first attempt, I was a slightly jealous. After my second attempt I was very disappointed. After her second attempt, I was VERY jealous. in fact, I don't know why but I started having feelings of anger swelling up that I could not attain what I sought so much, and although I was happy for her, I was so jealous that she had been turned on to this with very minimal knowledge of the substance (just the basics for safety) and she had a religious experience. I immediately said I cannot and will not continue to smoke with this mindset, and we decided to go for a walk.

She explained what she saw, and told me that I have too many expectations. I have to relax stop working towards this "goal", and instead to nothing and it will come. I find I cannot do this. I have been going in circles in my mind on how to achieve this, including how to stop trying to achieve it. In doing so, I have generated a problem that, as she says, doesn't exist but is being used by my ego as an excuse to not let me experience what I seek. I am in fact holding myself back. This has now led to various introspective analyses of myself and trying to determine how to get out of this hole that, no matter how much I try to get out of, I seem to simply be diging in deeper. I would very much appreciate if some of you could relate your previous experiences to help me out of this terrible situation and go back into enjoying this. I should also mention that I am on my 6th attempt at a breakthrough.
 
Ohh man first thing is to always surrender. Dont have expectations.. let the spice fondle your soul.. Relax and dont fight to take deep breathes.. you will feel ur not breathing may be but actually you are.. so forget about everything and see how it goes.. U are right if u cant quit this mindset spice can hurt your sykology. So you should know how to treat it. It will NEVER let you steer the trip as you wish.. only once you let it get the control and show you how is the trip then during the trip you can gain control of the trip a little. Not like seeing what u want but like getting into the flow, knowing how to keep movement with the flow, so u feel much familiar and comfortable. Hope you can learn to surrender soon
Peace
 
to quote The Beatles:
"Turn off your mind, relax and float down stream
It is not dying, it is not dying

Lay down all thoughts, surrender to the void
It is shining, it is shining" -Tomorrow Never Knows

best advice I've ever had while trippin.
 
You may well be holding yourself back, eternity - but your failure to launch is less an issue of mindset than it is one of simple logistics. The hookah was about the least efficient method you could have possibly chosen, and while The Machine works pretty well for some, it doesn't work for everyone.

Step #1: Get yourself a scale. If you have no idea how much you are loading, it may be much less than you think. Weigh out 50 mgs, then proceed to Step #2.

Step #2: Continue to work on your smoking technique. The amount of vapor you need to take in to achieve a real breakthrough is fairly significant. You need to draw it in deep and hold it in long enough to be reasonably absorbed by your lung tissue. If you have the means, the Vaporgenie (especially the glass one) and jet lighter is a pretty foolproof combo. A bong/hash oil bulb/jet lighter combo is a bit more idiosyncratic, but it works like a charm once you get it down. Finally, enhanced leaf is probably the most automatic - it's just twice the volume of material to inhale.

Believe me when I say that once you hit the appropriate dose correctly, NO amount of resistance or preconception will stop you from going where you're going. You may find yourself wishing in the moment it will, but I guarantee you it won't. It's in this moment that "turn off your mind" becomes pretty important advice.
 
Thank you for your post,

I had a similar experience during my second attempt to cross over. I was very lucky, and my first time with DMT had a very profound experience. While stating that, I should also mention I had no pre-conceptions and was really just seeing what it would do for me.

However, the second time I also got a little anxious, and was asking to be taken or shown or whatever....it was like trying to grab hold of a cloud though...it just sort of dispersed and faded out...

I think next time I will take the cues learned here about weighing out my dose, and trying changa...

thanks again for your post though, because it's helpful to know Im not the only one feeling this way sometimes...

~BC
 
Uncle Knucles said:
You may well be holding yourself back, eternity - but your failure to launch is less an issue of mindset than it is one of simple logistics. The hookah was about the least efficient method you could have possibly chosen, and while The Machine works pretty well for some, it doesn't work for everyone.

Step #1: Get yourself a scale. If you have no idea how much you are loading, it may be much less than you think. Weigh out 50 mgs, then proceed to Step #2.

Step #2: Continue to work on your smoking technique. The amount of vapor you need to take in to achieve a real breakthrough is fairly significant. You need to draw it in deep and hold it in long enough to be reasonably absorbed by your lung tissue. If you have the means, the Vaporgenie (especially the glass one) and jet lighter is a pretty foolproof combo. A bong/hash oil bulb/jet lighter combo is a bit more idiosyncratic, but it works like a charm once you get it down. Finally, enhanced leaf is probably the most automatic - it's just twice the volume of material to inhale.

Believe me when I say that once you hit the appropriate dose correctly, NO amount of resistance or preconception will stop you from going where you're going. You may find yourself wishing in the moment it will, but I guarantee you it won't. It's in this moment that "turn off your mind" becomes pretty important advice.

Thank you very much for the reply my friend.

This makes me feel a lot better in the sense that I seem to have been going off on a totally unrelated, unnecessary tangent with this whole thing. I suppose I was caught off guard by the fact that my sitter with a small dose and coughing up half the smoke made it across. I must have a higher tolerance in addition to improper smoking technique.

I have resolved that today I will build a new, better machine (the previous one is crudely constructed - broken) and make an attempt with a high dose. I do not have access to a scale under any circumstance so I will just put what I consider to be a large amount into the machine. The scale will be ordered as soon as I can since I am constantly traveling back and forth between continents.

I hope everything goes well and I wont have stressed myself into what can be considered a 'bad trip'. My g/f tells me I am screaming and shaking her in my sleep upwards of 4 times a night haha. Must have bothered me on a subconscious level or something that I failed to launch. I'm pretty excited today to try again though. Thanks again for the information, and I will definitely write a report on how it went.
 
Eternity said:
I suppose I was caught off guard by the fact that my sitter with a small dose and coughing up half the smoke made it across. I must have a higher tolerance in addition to improper smoking technique.

Try and keep in mind as well that "making it across" can be a somewhat relative and subjective concept. Your friend, while she may be 100% convinced that she has in fact broken through, may only be experiencing threshold effects as you are, but interpreting it differently.

Without anything to compare it to, a low dose of DMT can feel like you're pushing the envelope about as far as you possibly ever could. It isn't until you've been deeper and actually experienced true ego death that you will even know the difference. When you do though, friend... there will be no question. You can trust that everything you've read is in no way blown out of proportion. You have NO concept how deep it goes. It is truly an experience without limits.
 
Wow, excellent post, thank you for typing all that up. I think you'll be well rewarded if you build/obtain the device you mentioned, and be sure to take a good amount of the Spice. I find that Syrian Rue goes very well with the Spice, you don't have to vape as much (you need maybe half as much Spice with sufficient Syrian Rue), and it slows down the tryp more, seems to make it more personalized and ayahuasca-like. I've broken through a few times on pure Spice, but the majority have been with Rue; for me the harmala alkaloids and tryptamines synergize beautifully. With pure Spice it was like being launched out of my body, completely forgetting the body, into wild spaces or realms, but I very quickly went back to my body. With Rue added in, the beauty and magic of this divine substance are magnified, but the tryp is slowed down, and is easier to bring back its lessons into the real world.
If you're not interested in exploring Rue (and willing to follow the MAOI diet), something else I've found that helps with Spice is to treat it almost like a person; I sometimes asks if it has anything to teach me, to show me, or whatever. I let it know I trust and respect its power, like it is another person or being, and using this approach I've had nothing but wonderful responses. It consistently responds. Hope this helps, I'll look forward to reading your further posts.
 
lysergify said:
I've found that helps with Spice is to treat it almost like a person; I sometimes asks if it has anything to teach me, to show me, or whatever. I let it know I trust and respect its power, like it is another person or being ...

very well said.
 
Although you feel like this was a failure, the realization that trying to let go is impossible is a very important life lesson. Making an effort to not make any effort is a very important koan. :idea:

This "failed" experience may be more beneficial to your life than any breakthrough that you have.
 
Not much to add to all these excellent replies...

It's not a failure, certainly not an epic one - just a step on a new path. Good luck with your smoking methods, and listen to her: no expectations! They will be shattered anyway ;)

A pity I couldn't participate with the S.H.E. this time... bad setting, too much lowgrade work, survival mode.
 
Hey guys,

Thank you very much for all the replies. The information you provided me really helped overcome my sticking point! I seem to have gotten back on track and am delving deeper and deeper into myself with the help of the molecule.

Uncle Knucles said:
It isn't until you've been deeper and actually experienced true ego death that you will even know the difference. When you do though, friend... there will be no question. You can trust that everything you've read is in no way blown out of proportion. You have NO concept how deep it goes. It is truly an experience without limits.

Thank you for clarifying this. I would like to say that you were right in your previous reply that it was a simple matter of logistics. I armed "The Machine" with what I would consider a massive dose and administered it in a slightly different setting and had no problems experiencing leaving my body (report on the way).

lysergify said:
I find that Syrian Rue goes very well with the Spice, you don't have to vape as much (you need maybe half as much Spice with sufficient Syrian Rue), and it slows down the tryp more, seems to make it more personalized and ayahuasca-like. I've broken through a few times on pure Spice, but the majority have been with Rue; for me the harmala alkaloids and tryptamines synergize beautifully. With pure Spice it was like being launched out of my body, completely forgetting the body, into wild spaces or realms, but I very quickly went back to my body. With Rue added in, the beauty and magic of this divine substance are magnified, but the tryp is slowed down, and is easier to bring back its lessons into the real world.

Duly noted my friend! I was browsing through Mayan Ethnobotanicals recently following your suggestion and have ordered a free sample of Syrian rue. I will be experimenting with Syrian Rue, Caapi, and various other plants and seeds in a month's time when I get back home. For now, I will have to do with what I have and keep exploring with pure spice.

Perhaps it was not a failure after all but a lesson to be learned. Thanks again for all your help and advice, it really is invaluable to myself and the others walking down the same road and it is very much appreciated my friends!
 
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