[quote:60a2928594="El Ka Bong"]  ... ok .. but to get back on topic - I have not tried salvia although I have posessed some X10 for over a year, waiting for my courage to well up. I bought a torch-lighter and dedicated pipe just to be ready, but I'm procrastinating... !~  Why do people say it makes you go "sideways" or 'flat' .?![/quote:60a2928594]    If youve theoretically the courage to smoke dmt then youll have NO poblems with Salvia. Go for it!   On a salvia breakthrough trip i reach a meditative plane where i transcend thought and have pure experience. No fear just completely one with the world. ALbeit a  very very fuckin strange illogical world!  I think people say it makes them go sideways or flat is the extreme disassociative effects, ive been part of the bed and was the floor once, it was realy peaceful being the floor as it happens!