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Sandwich method fails...again

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I used to have this problem, especially when smoking from pipes, so I paid close attention to everything involved, did a bit of experimentation and figured out what works best for me. Whatever the best method for you is, you can find it the same way so long as you're willing to puff tuff for science! 😁

I've found that for my smoking style, it is best to load the bowls as small as possible and to smoke them slowly in one large hit. If I want more hits than that, or there are more people, I just pack more pipes so there is always another perfect hit at the ready. A bong is also great to smoke a sandwich from, just be sure to go slow to avoid burning it.

I have also found that large, half-dried rose petals are a great sandwich medium to avoid burning. It's also convenient for gooey spice, smeared on a rose petal which is then folded in half. That alone or under some smokable herbs can be a very effective, easy and mess-free sandwich.
 
The sandwich method is effective and I have broken through many times using it.
What size dosage do you use? Also how tight are you packing the bowl.

I love this method roughly mulled up leaf lightly packed and taken slow will work.
It's like Christmas, you spark the top then you get that taste it's the suprise.
Then bam it takes hold.
I just bought a GVG I tried 50mg in it and yes it is a fantastic piece of equipment but I still love my trusty bong.
I'm experimenting at the moment with 50mg doses vaped with the GVG and using the bong.
I can pull 50mg sandwiched easily but I'm finding that the GVG is taking me 4 hits or more.
I'm using a shitty bic lighter but I imagine a tortch one will be better and I still have some work to do on technique.

Every one I have seen fail with this method hasn't been able to pull the cone in one hit.
That's the secret with the sandwich method one hit will get you there.
I have tried ash it didn't work.
Do you smoke weed ? The only thing I can think that is going wrong is either your packing it to tight, you arn't taking a big enough hit or your pulling the cone to quick and burning the spice or your dose is to small.
 
I don't think you're packing enough into your peice. Try loading 100-150mg into your piece and hit that. It might seem like a lot but you have to realize that you're not actually ingestion all of that in your hit. Think about it like any other drug/herb. Just because you pack 300mg of weed into your pipe doesn't mean you smoke 300mg in one hit, does it? Nope. So try the sandwhich method again, this time pack more into it.

What I do is pack a bowl with some herb and leave enough room on top for a layer of spice. Pour on a layer of spice. Then, lightly fan a flame over the top of the bowl and suck in gently so that the dmt melts into the herb. Then put another layer on top. Melt that in too. Now that you've got a sufficient amount of dmt in your bowl you can hit it reasonably without worrying about destroying it with the flame. It might catch fire but just blow it out and keep sucking in. Yyoull get it. ;)
 
don't load ludicrous amounts of dmt in your pipe.
you will only pyrolize (i.e. waste) a bunch of your spice, and risk overdose (which isn't to say anything harmful physiological will happen, only that you might blackout or go too far).

in my personal and not-quite-so-humble (least not as it should be) opinion:

CHANGA IN THE BONGA!!
 
Parshvik Chintan said:
don't load ludicrous amounts of dmt in your pipe.
you will only pyrolize (i.e. waste) a bunch of your spice, and risk overdose (which isn't to say anything harmful physiological will happen, only that you might blackout or go too far).

in my personal and not-quite-so-humble (least not as it should be) opinion:

CHANGA IN THE BONGA!!
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if the amount he is smoking now isnt getting him where he should be, then the next logical step would be to load more. hes probably not heating it enough when he smokes as it is so i doubt he'll burn it all up.

i would however suggest changa before trying what i suggested.
 
Du57mi73 said:
if the amount he is smoking now isnt getting him where he should be, then the next logical step would be to load more.
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if you aren't efficiently ingesting a dose, why increase the dose to inefficiently ingest?
the logical next step is to tinker with the ingestion method until it becomes efficient enough to where higher doses (and therefore waste esp. by pyrolyzing the spice) aren't necessary

and infusing the herb instead of sandwiching makes it so much more simple. even without the harmalas.

Akasha224 said:
could it be that inhaling too fast burns everything to bits?
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a good way to make sure you aren't burning the spice (if you aren't sure) is that the taste of the smoalk should be indistinguishable from the scent of the raw (as it were) spice. unless the herb you use has a strong taste. also if it's harsh, or you get numbing sensations on your lips, weird sensation in your throat, or nausea... that probably means you are burning the spice.
 
is it made from ACRB? could it possibly be mostly NMT?

PC, i assumed he would know if he was burning his goods or not, but i guess that isnt something everyone knows. My impression was that he was barely lighting it in hopes that he doesnt burn it.

Akasha, if you know anyone in real life that has more experience with DMT then i would suggest asking them to show you how to do it. or you could just try experimenting with different methods of applying heat to it, such as length the flame is on/near it, distance from flame, strength of inhale, things like that to get you to understand better what conditions the dmt needs to have to make it to hyperspace.
 
Akasha224 said:
Here's something else about this batch: there was no smell. My pet monkey recalls that on his past DMT experiences, he did taste the smell of the spice. However, this batch had no smell whatsoever to it - but in appearance, the end product looked the same as it had in past extractions. Was something done incorrectly?
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Does it have a smell when it is vaporized/burned? I assume if you did STB that you were using MHRB?
 
Akasha224 said:
Entheogenerator said:
Akasha224 said:
Here's something else about this batch: there was no smell. My pet monkey recalls that on his past DMT experiences, he did taste the smell of the spice. However, this batch had no smell whatsoever to it - but in appearance, the end product looked the same as it had in past extractions. Was something done incorrectly?
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Does it have a smell when it is vaporized/burned? I assume if you did STB that you were using MHRB?
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There was no smell or taste. Yes, MHRB was used. The monkey always reported "tasting the smell" when smoking the substance in prior times. But this time it was mysteriously absent.
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:?: I've never seen/heard of DMT that didn't taste and smell like DMT... Instinct would lead me to believe that if it doesn't smell like DMT, it doesn't taste like DMT, and it doesn't produce the effects of DMT, then it probably ain't DMT...

EDIT: Did you personally extract this "DMT"? Personally I would be very hesitant to ingest DMT that wasn't extracted by myself, or by someone who I knew very well and who really knew what they were doing. And I would be even more hesitant to ingest "DMT" that didn't smell like, taste like, or produce the effects of DMT.
 
How much is that? 20mg? your yeild should have been better than that. I dont know how quickly after you finished this that you smoked it but maybe those are ice crystals and you didnt actually yeild anything?
 
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Was this extraction from the same batch of MHRB, or just from the same source?
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It was the exact same batch of MHRB. The only thing I could think of is that it could possibly lose potency over time? I've had it for about a year now and the last time it was used was probably last March. It's been sitting in a closet ever since.

Du57mi73 said:
How much is that? 20mg? your yeild should have been better than that. I dont know how quickly after you finished this that you smoked it but maybe those are ice crystals and you didnt actually yeild anything?
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I'm not sure of the exact amount, I didn't measure it. However, that is only one of the two collection plates that were used in the extraction. About two days went by from the time it was scraped off the plate to the time that it was smoked. It was stored in a small amber vial for that time period.
 
Not sure if you mentioned your technique or not... I skimmed through this thread.

But, I've had my most powerful experiences using the sandwich method. It does work but there is a very specific way to do it.

First I load a small amount of plant material, I prefer mullein, into the bowl. This is the bed that the DMT will sit on so it does not fall into the pipe. Next I place about 0.06g of DMT on top of the bed. Then take your lighter and hold the flame above the DMT and melt it into the bed. Next, I'll burn a decent amount of mullein into ash and place that on top of the bed with melted DMT. The ash diffuses the heat so the DMT is not burned but vaporized. Finally, put another layer of mullein on top of the ash. This top layer will get lit and form a cherry.

So, just light that top layer and pull SLOWLY for as long as you can and hold it in for as long as you can. If you need to sprinkle another layer of mullein to get a new cherry going do it quickly and pull slowly again for as long as you can again. You really need to keep hitting this thing like you want it bad. Repeat until you blast off :thumb_up:

If you're already doing this and not breaking through then maybe you need to try a new method.
 
Akasha224 said:
It was the exact same batch of MHRB. The only thing I could think of is that it could possibly lose potency over time? I've had it for about a year now and the last time it was used was probably last March. It's been sitting in a closet ever since.

I'm not sure of the exact amount, I didn't measure it. However, that is only one of the two collection plates that were used in the extraction. About two days went by from the time it was scraped off the plate to the time that it was smoked. It was stored in a small amber vial for that time period.
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It is highly unlikely that MHRB would lose potency to a noticeable degree, even after several years. The exception would be if it was stored at relatively high heat, in a moist environment, or with excessive airflow. So if you stored it in a sauna for several months and it was exposed to open air the whole time, it might lose some potency.

I'm really not sure what is going on here. How cold is your freezer? I keep mine at about -30°C when freeze-precipitating. How long are you letting it sit in the freezer undisturbed? Have you tried evaporating one of your pulls?

I would really recommend you weigh your doses. The density of DMT crystals can vary tremendously, so 10mg from one batch might appear to be the same amount as 50mg from another batch. There is no way to tell if you are loading a tiny amount or if you are loading an excessive amount, unless you weigh it first.
 
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