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Scary isolate. NOT dmt or "oxide/jungle/honey"

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LandOfOz

LandOfOz

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i have produce this stuff many times but never saved or bio-assayed it.

1. 2.25g of very tan/orange spice(lower solvent portion from the re-xing of 7g) dissolved in 200ml heated odorless mineral spirits.
2. upon slight cooling an orange layer was formed.
3. the top layer was removed and set to FP(ever so slightly yellow white spice 270mg)
4. 100ml OMspirits were added and returned to slight heat.
5. upper clearer portion of solvent again removed for FP(flawless white spice 250mg, 1003mg))
6. orange/amber oil/solvent was FP.
7. solvent free orange material was disolved into heated heptane.
8. heptane removed and repeated 2 more times.
9. heptane set to FP(yield small qnty white 170mg)
10. dark amber layer FP and heptane removed.
11. a saturated solution of 100F OMspirits was formed with the amber. minimal solvent used.
12. solvent removed and repeated.
13. solvent evapped(solid very dense orange lump crystals 380mg)
14. lower oily fraction evaped. very dark at this point.
15. yield 85mg opaque light brown stuff. not crystal, not plant material. smells volatile. like a ripe acacai in summer, or freshly dried spice. but ,much bolder. as strong atleast as extracted mhyrrh.

5mg was smoked ontop of a glass jack in a hash pipe. within 5 seconds a pressure identical to 'poping ears' spread from the center of my head out. my ears erupted into a roar of ringing. my head felt separately effected from my mind. a physiological reaction. swelling, temp jump. heart rate. but a distinct "balloon about to pop" feeling for my head. even the balloon feeling. floating, but about to blow.

mild mental expectation of visual distortion, but no actual distortion maybe a slight fuzzy tryptamine shadow here or there. felt awkward, detached.

i honestly felt in the midst of a drug overdose. 10min the ringing and pressure fade. 30min i feel a bit more accepted into my body. 40min i am able to talk. 1hr i still feel an aversion to going outside and complications talking to my loved one.

so there was 2 effect. an awkward psychedelic disassociation, and the physical body effects. lasting up to an hour. from 5mg...
 
Wow - -sounds dangerous. SWIM doesn't like the constriction and hypertensive glimmer of spice come up, sounds like this fraction is rather more ugly. Any ideas about pacifying this physiological crisis response?
 
Impossible to say without chemical analysis.

My guess: its dmt + maybe some impurities (burnt already shown that material that has been supposdly cleaned of dmt with heptane washes still are mostly dmt), and that being a small dose of dmt gives the typical disconcerting low-dose effects, + self-suggestion/fear of smoking a seemingly unknown product makes the negative effects increase.
 
having done 2 actual extractions, and having multiple trips off them, I can attest to some odd effects from some material that I isolated during my first extraction attempt. But looking back I can't tell you what the material was or how I came up with it, only that it was distinct and unpleasant in it's effects upon being smoked, differing from the main substance that I obtained and sought to obtain. I remember a most intense feeling of disassociation in my mind from my body that was extremely alien and uncomfortable along with the feeling something like a cotton ball was stuck to my tongue that I couldn't spit out although I tried. But accompanied by no real dmt like visuals, or o.b.e... It was scary and had I ingested a larger amount it really would've been...
 
while i agree most info about jungle/other spice is off kilter, this doesnt seem to have the profile of dmt contam. 5mg

anyone vape an maoi? effects?
 
LandOfOz said:
anyone vape an maoi? effects?
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Yes, she has. Nothing like described, nothing like tryptamines; ~25 mg rue harmalas (Manske then freebased) gave brief rue tea like effects, pleasant and light. Others have vaped harmalas and written up experiences in the Harmala threads.

What was the original plant? While I tend to agree with Endlessness's guess, reports of something "different" do persist - perhaps essential oils of unknown action?
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the ratio of dmt + other stuff will obviously go down as more dmt is extracted. the other stuff is probably different oils and fats maybe tannins plus some minor alkaloids. 3 or 4 times extracted "jungle" with heptane will still contain dmt.

regardless and an interesting observation that people should pay attention too. being not all compounds isolated from plans are safe. especially if they are concentrated way beyond the normal levels consumed when whole plant material or tea like extracts are prepared.
 
burnt said:
an interesting observation that people should pay attention too. being not all compounds isolated from plants are safe. especially if they are concentrated way beyond the normal levels consumed when whole plant material or tea like extracts are prepared.
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A knucklehead in the back row raises his hand-

So my question is, if someone is doing a simple STB using 99.9% lye, Bestine heptane, water from an uncontaminated source, and bark from a proven reliable vendor, how could other unsafe compounds be concentrated beyond normal levels?

SWIM has done countless simple extracts without flaw, with outstanding results, should swim be worried about the potential for this happening?
 
the OP used mineral spirits. its selectivity is different. its composition is different then other petroleum distillates. i think it contains more longer chain aliphatic hydrocarbons and alicyclic hydrocarbons as well as more aromatic hydrocarbons (less of these in odorless mineral spirits though). using heptane or hexane or petroleum ether made from much lower boiling point materials won't extract the compounds the OP extracted.

also i would like to say that its possible that some of the higher molecular weight compounds in the mineral spirits did not fully evaporate. Its possible the OP smoked some of these substances. they could cause light-headedness and dizzyness. they also will not smell.

there is a reason odorless mineral spirits is called odorless. there are less volatile hydrocarbons in it.
 
thanks for the posts guys! i would in every other moment say its just dmt like we now think about jungle(for the most part). the only hangup is that it was just 5mg. im thinking it was another non psychoactive oil. kind of reminded of me amyl nitrate... only time i did that tho i thought i was going to die. good point about the solvent. but it is 100% volatile. 'It is a mixture of saturated aliphatic and alicyclic C7 to C12 hydrocarbons with a maximum content of 25% of C7 to C12 alkyl aromatic hydrocarbons.'


so yea, moral of the story, dont smoke this stuff.
 
LandOfOz said:
i have produce this stuff many times but never saved or bio-assayed it.

1. 2.25g of very tan/orange spice(lower solvent portion from the re-xing of 7g) dissolved in 200ml heated odorless mineral spirits.
2. upon slight cooling an orange layer was formed.
3. the top layer was removed and set to FP(ever so slightly yellow white spice 270mg)
4. 100ml OMspirits were added and returned to slight heat.
5. upper clearer portion of solvent again removed for FP(flawless white spice 250mg, 1003mg))
6. orange/amber oil/solvent was FP.
7. solvent free orange material was disolved into heated heptane.
8. heptane removed and repeated 2 more times.
9. heptane set to FP(yield small qnty white 170mg)
10. dark amber layer FP and heptane removed.
11. a saturated solution of 100F OMspirits was formed with the amber. minimal solvent used.
12. solvent removed and repeated.
13. solvent evapped(solid very dense orange lump crystals 380mg)
14. lower oily fraction evaped. very dark at this point.
15. yield 85mg opaque light brown stuff. not crystal, not plant material. smells volatile. like a ripe acacai in summer, or freshly dried spice. but ,much bolder. as strong atleast as extracted mhyrrh.

5mg was smoked ontop of a glass jack in a hash pipe. within 5 seconds a pressure identical to 'poping ears' spread from the center of my head out. my ears erupted into a roar of ringing. my head felt separately effected from my mind. a physiological reaction. swelling, temp jump. heart rate. but a distinct "balloon about to pop" feeling for my head. even the balloon feeling. floating, but about to blow.

mild mental expectation of visual distortion, but no actual distortion maybe a slight fuzzy tryptamine shadow here or there. felt awkward, detached.

i honestly felt in the midst of a drug overdose. 10min the ringing and pressure fade. 30min i feel a bit more accepted into my body. 40min i am able to talk. 1hr i still feel an aversion to going outside and complications talking to my loved one.

so there was 2 effect. an awkward psychedelic disassociation, and the physical body effects. lasting up to an hour. from 5mg...
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That is amazing! It sounds VERY familiar to SWIM.
SWIM had once managed to extract a similair extract as you described from MHRB powder using a STB method( MHRB, Water, Lye, Diethyl Ether, Turkey baster ).
It looked like an amber orange yellow oil, that as it evaporated turned into an orange-red wax and then in a dark red-brown resin.

What is most familiar to SWIM is that the Potency of SWIM's extract was indeed such as you described. 20 miligram of SWIM's described extract would be a powerfull +2.5 experience. Also the powerfull "Buzzy" tone/Ringing in the ears as well as the strongly Dissociative, disembodying effect you described are completely similair to SWIM's experiences with his extract.

There was however one mayer difference between SWIM's extract and your's:
SWIM's extract was on top of all this ExtrEMELY Visual, immersive and longlasting(a dose between 30 and 50 miligrams could easily deliver a 20 to 40 minute experience, in which the first 5 to 15 minutes consists of complete disembodyment and complex, intelligent visions of geometric structures, flowermandalas and all kinds of plant, human(oid) and other animal beings.

What may be the difference between the 2 extracts could be that the STB method SWIM used picked up NN,DMT as well as "that brown Disociative stuff",
whatever it may turn out to be. To me the similairities and the difference between our experience seem to suggest we're dealing with a compound seperate from DMT, that in SWIM's experience with his red-brown spice seems to incredibly potentiate the Dissociation/Disembodyment and the Duration of the effects of NN,DMT.


Could this possibly be the elusive "jungle spice"?
If so then your extraction tek is a way to isolate solely what I assume could be "Jungle", while SWIM's simple STB extraction tek extracts both the "jungle" and NN,DMT; a mixture creating a powerfull synergy.

Off course folks need to do more experimentation to determine if this indeed is "jungle" and if it indeed does incredibly potentiate NN,DMT extracted from MHRB using the mentioned STB method.


Could you perhaps elaborate on the Ringing in the ears and the awkward feeling of detatchment you experienced?
 
the amber oil you speak of is diff. it is an unpinned down substance. none of us know what it is. the local gcms testing(maybe 4 or 6 ppl) shows dmt and 2 other chemicals. neither what we are looking for(IIRC). jungle, if it exists, isnt sposed to be pulled by naphtha. yet naphtha seems to pull alot more than it should many logxps are not straight forward thus its hard to tell. i remove ti from my spice in re-x and put it aside. i save it and enjoy it.

the Y chemical some ppl talk about would be destroyed by extraction. beta carb isnt there in high enough amounts to cause unique maoi+dmt trips. alot of us talk about oxide. it hasnt been proven to exist chemically. half of us just use the word as a less tedious word than jungle/we-dont-know-spice.

it maybe jungle/oxide if either even exist. maybe just and odd state of dmt or a micro emulsion of water/plantfats. none of us know. there are 500 threads about honey spice, amber oil, yellow oil, cakey sticky dmt, moldable dmt. i saw a post about naphtha turning into jello when super saturated with dmt. i once molded 3grams into a cube(hypercube lol).

the difference between what you had and what i found is that i took your product and kept reducing by pulling more and more dmt out. i can always see visually that the amber/yellow dmt product has lots of nndmt because when you are adding it to a solution you sometimes see a opaque white whisping away from it. classic dmt going into saturated solution effect.

i removed as much dmt as i could from my product but as was said, most jungle products seen are still mostly dmt. one thing i do know is that once you've done your first base pull and fp, the dmt oil substance will never go back into the solvent as it had before. this leads me to believe it isnt known as soluble in naphtha/petro dist, but becomes so when its other option is ultra basic water.

as per the OMS having heavy hydrocarbons, i donot believe the brand i buy does have the higher temp distalit. the quote i posted was from wiki. the msds said 110f total evaporation. which i have been bringing to this temp each time i re-x my spice. tho i have since returned to the use of naphtha. i much more prefer hexane but i can nolonger locally source it. i started using OMS when i lsot my hexane source because both are much more selective and predictable than vmp naphtha IME.

so far those who have tried a blind test report mixed results being able to tell the difference, but i have not seen a picture or heard how they got their "jungle/oxide/amber/honey" product. i would 'IME' agree thatthe orange waxy spice has a longer duration and a much different effect. but again as burnt will remind us, like all psychedelics, the dmt trip can be profoundly changed by expectation.

yesterday i ran into a kid at a subculture party/group philosophy meeting who upon seeing the odd product i had in my peropdic table of drugs collection exploded into a 10min summary of this thread. he knew exactly what it was and that noone knows what it is. he got like 8steps into how to get the odd stuff i had before i stopped him. gave it to him on the spot. all but 5mg....
 
just postin

im not a chemist and i hold a few irrational beliefs
one of them is the concept of Oxidized jungle

imho - it exists and its terrifying - small doses cause extreme panic in me.
any jungle thats changed form and color il avoid like the plague - i find 3-4 weeks exposed to air and light does the trick.
 
i want to know if uv light will break it down or oxidize it. i have a 50mw 405nm laser id like to set at a crystal for days.
 
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