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Shortcut for STB extractions of Spice?

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SKA

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The most boring and annoying phase of a STB extraction of spice from MHRB is seperating the lye water solution with MHRB suspended in it, from the solvent (which in this case will be assumed to be Di-ethyl Ether)

Wether using a turkey baster, seperatory funnel or syphoning; it's a lengthy and messy process. Basified mimosa-goop can end up in the end product and seperating it is generally a pain in the ass :)

I thought that there must be easier & cleaner ways of separating the ether-dmt layer from the mimosa, lye & water solution.
Then I thought of a very simple one;
After mixing Lye, Water, MHRB powder & Ether properly together in a sealable pyrex jar, what about just closing that jar, allowing the 2 layers to separate,
then placing the jar in the freezer?

Wouldn't this result in the basified Mimosa-water mix freezing solid, leaving a liquid layer of Di-ethyl ether with DMT dissolved in it on top?
If so you could easily poor off the liquid, ether layer into another container. If the mix is left in the freezer for long enough the crystals would also precipitate out of the Ether so you could go straight ahhead and strain the ether through a coffee filter to yield huge crystal lumps.

Should this work as well as it sounds it should, then it is a very fast shortcut, separating the liquid Ether/DMT layer from the frozen Lye, Mimosa & Water mixture and precipitating the crystals out of the Ether in 1 quick step. Sure beats syphoning, using turkey basters or seperatory funnels and allowing solvents to evaporate at room temperature for long periods. Also, after this process you could probably recycle the Ether (or your prefered solvent) for later extractions.

Has anyone ever tried to do a STB like this?
 
Is putting a jar in the freezer long enough to freeze it solid really a shortcut to spending 5 minutes with a pipette? Especially if you are doing 4-5 pulls?
 
I can't see how your suggested method would be less "messy" than separating the solvent with a turkey baster. Also, the crystals would most likely crash out before the water froze in the freezer. If the water were to freeze before the DMT crashed out of the solvent, how would you get the crystals out without carrying over frozen black mimosa soup?

I like that you are trying to come up with easier ways of getting DMT from the solvent, but i can't see the procedure you mentioned working efficiently and would be a lot more work than the original method IMO.
 
If you put the closed jar with 2 separated layers in a freezer for an hour or wouldn´t the result be a frozen lump of lye,water & MHRB at the bottom
with a liquid layer of Ether with DMT crystals floating in it? Maybe some crystals would sink to the bottom of the ether layer, but they wouldn't mix
with the lye/mimosa/water mixture as it will be a solid lump of ice. I don't see the problem. Seems to me one could simply poor off the Ether with DMT
crystals suspended in it into another container, through a cheesecloth while still ice cold, while the solid lump of mimosa, lye & water would stay in
1 piece at the bottom of the jar.

If I'm wrong please explain how, because I don't see how even the slighest amount of lye/mimosa/water could end up in the final product this way.
 
I have had crystals start forming in a slightly cold room when the solvent was still sitting on top of the mimosa soup. The crystals weren't suspended in the middle of the naphtha, but had formed directly on top of the bark layer. I had to heat up the whole jar to allow the crystals to dissolve back into the NP solvent.

I don't know if using Ether allows for a different reaction under cold conditions compared to naphtha, but if it is indeed the same i can't see how the crystals would form after the ice freezes. Surely the DMT would crash out before the water freezes, which would cause it to be frozen in the ice.

I could be very wrong and i am not trying to discourage you from trying it. I am only going by what i have experienced. I'm sure someone with a greater knowledge of chemistry will be able to give a better explanation than i can. Good luck :)
 
I understand what you are suggesting, I think its a waste of time and energy. Take the solvent off with a baster, syringe, or a pipette. Filter your spice laden solvent through some cotton balls if you are worried about trace ammounts of your basic soup being in your solvent. It just takes some practice. A steady hand. After you get 20+ extractions under your belt you'll make each and every extraction your bitch! You'll fly through them with the greatest of ease. Practice makes perfect. Follow the teks out there, they work.

just my 2 cents.
 
I trust in that the teks out there work. I just wish to find a less painstaking way of separating the layers.
Black Mimosa-Lye goop allways ends up in the turkey baster so often and it takes forever to separate the layers this way.


Perhaps the problem you describe can be overcome.
If the mix is put in a pyrex flask and the layers allowed to separate, the flask could then be lowered into
an icebath of icewater cooled by some dry ice so that the waterline of the icebath is equal to the line separating the ether
from the basified MHRB solution inside the flask, that should freeze only the bottom layer into 1 block while leaving the
top ether layer warm enough for the DMT to stay dissolved in it. If nececairy, the top part of the flask containing the
ether-layer could be kept warm enough using a hairdryer on hot-stance. I suppose a Pyrex flask can handle being cooled &
heated at the same time without cracking, correct me if I'm wrong.

It'll take a bucket or metal bowl, a pyrex flask, some dry Ice & maybe a hairdryer,
so it shouldn't be too much trouble to try it out.
 
SKA said:
I just wish to find a less painstaking way of separating the layers.
Black Mimosa-Lye goop allways ends up in the turkey baster so often and it takes forever to separate the layers this way.
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Wow so what you are suggesting below is much less painstaking?

If the mix is put in a pyrex flask and the layers allowed to separate, the flask could then be lowered into
an icebath of icewater cooled by some dry ice so that the waterline of the icebath is equal to the line separating the ether
from the basified MHRB solution inside the flask, that should freeze only the bottom layer into 1 block while leaving the
top ether layer warm enough for the DMT to stay dissolved in it. If nececairy, the top part of the flask containing the
ether-layer could be kept warm enough using a hairdryer on hot-stance. I suppose a Pyrex flask can handle being cooled &
heated at the same time without cracking, correct me if I'm wrong.

It'll take a bucket or metal bowl, a pyrex flask, some dry Ice & maybe a hairdryer,
so it shouldn't be too much trouble to try it out.
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ReallY?

Okay.....
 
how about using a container so the height you are siphoning down to (the top of the basified solution) has a very small surface area?
 
Yeah Ice, the Turkey baster takes SWIM forever and I have no idea how DoingKermit does it in only 5 minutes.
Thusfar SWIM has done 3 extractions with 1 liter glass bottles for mixing the ingredients and separated the top ether layer with a turkey baster.
The Turkey baster step allways took SWIM at least 30 minutes each 500 ml layer of ether, trying to work very clean and not accepting the tiniest impurity.

Setting up an icebath with dry ice & water, suspending a flask with 2 separated layers of dmt-ether & water-lye-mimosa so the emulsion-separation line
in the flask meets the waterline of the ice bath and waiting for the bottom layer to freeze solid, might take just as much, if not more time, but it is ALOT
less tedious. It seems to be worth it to me :)
 
Try doing a side by side test with bark from the same batch to compare yields. One using the traditional baster and the other using your method. I'm sure you'll get a loss of spice on the method you describe due to precipitation into the base layer before it freezes. Even if you use dry ice you'll still get a loss.

Have you tried squeezing your milk jug so the level rises to the top? Once the naphtha is at the top of the bottle you can syringe/pipette/baster it off quite easily. And always double decant your solvent, that way you leave any stray base in the first glass.

If you are determined to use your method consider using a solvent unsuitable for freeze precipitation (xylene), the spice wont crash into your base then:d

Best of luck and stay safe.
 
SKA said:
Yeah Ice, the Turkey baster takes SWIM forever and I have no idea how DoingKermit does it in only 5 minutes.
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After doing quite a few extractions, over a few years, it doesn't take that long at all. Practice makes perfect my friend :d
 
I've done allot of extracts over the years Vovins,nomans,STB,BLAB,Q2s,and the A/STB. Tried allot of different things. My fav now is-

a long soak in vinager, basify to 13+ and let sit for a loooong time, add solvent and pull 4-5 times freeze precip and then evap.

Thats it, simple.

For pulling solvent I use a 75ml syringe with the needle removed. Before I pull I take the plunger out and lube it up with solvent so it slides well. I pull all the clean solvent I can, and in the end I do get trace-small ammounts of basified liuid in there.

But now here is the key-

I have a second 75ml syringe, I take the needle off and I pull the plunger out. I take 4 cotton balls and I put them inside the syringe body.

All of the solvent I pull, I filter it through this syringe body/cotton ball filter. It works great. The top cotton ball gets a little bit of brown stain on it, once in a while. Clean dmt saturated solvent is what comes out the other end.

The nice part about this system is that its ok if you pull a little basified sludge.
 
How I got glass turkey baster to work fast:

Sit milk jug on top of 2 paper towels, set tall jar next to milk jug, take lid off of milk jug.
Carefully slowly squeeze the milk jug until the clear layer at the top moves up to the mouth of the milk jug. (So you can more easily siphon it off with a glass turkey baster)
Seal the lid now, to give the layers another 30 seconds or so to separate from the agitation of scrunching down the milk jug.
Get a hold of the milk jug (all crushed down) with one hand, and use the other hand to take off the milk jug lid, and pick up the glass turkey baster.
Get a comfortable grip on the glass turkey baster's squeezer; squeeze a comfortable amount of air out of the head of the glass turkey baster.
Place the tip of the glass turkey baster just deep enough under the naphtha layer so that you will not break surface tension while sucking up naphtha. The object is not to break surface tension with the naphtha layer, but you need the tip a little lower than surface depth while drawing the naphtha up.
Slowly evenly release the glass turkey baster's head. Be careful not to draw too fast causing black stuff to shoot up into the glass turkey baster's neck. If this happens, stop drawing, and wait for black chunks to settle back into the milk jug. Reposition your tip just under the surface, squeeze the jug a little so your naphtha is as close to the top of the milk jug as possible, and resume drawing more slowly in order to get more naphtha until you can see the naphtha layer is all but gone & all you’re pulling up is black.

When you have drawn about half as much naphtha as you could, perform the next two steps simultaneously.

Let go of the yellow ball atop the glass turkey baster.

Position the tip of the glass turkey baster over top of the Mason jar.

Note: If all goes well, the suction of air entering the baster should have prevented any naphtha from falling out while you moved the tip over top of the Mason jar.

Empty the glass turkey baster all the way into a Mason jar, and go back for more.
You should probably only get about 2–3 or so draws of naphtha from the milk jugs on a 100g extraction using the glass turkey baster until you run into black stuff.
 
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