Slacked Off

[DisEmboDied]

The main reason I have slacked off on high doses of DMT is because I noticed that after doing it, that reality belittled this one, made this one seem so bland, mundane, boring, stupid, in comparison. Nothing but maintenance and routine here in this realm. I have a beautiful life, all I ever wanted mostly, but the DMT reality is just so much quicker, effortless, pure creativity, brighter, smarter, etc., and so I spent my days and nights dwelling on my experiences. Occupation with the experience was a constant danger, always being there and never here or present. Coming to see that 'this' world is the bad trip is a constant danger.

What do you think?

 

[Grizzly Adams]

If I understand you correctly, that is 'one' of the things that I contemplate even before I take my first Ayahuasca journey. "If I go THERE, will I ever want to be HERE?"

But my bigger contemplation is, and is far more likely, for the first journey anyways, is a huge 'bitch slap'. I expect that and am mentally preparing for it, to the point of 'wanting' it.

But, Madre Ayahuasca will never become recreational or an escape from reality. She wouldn't take kindly to that.

 

[universecannon]

This reality/universe/consciousness/experience in some very literal way 'is' hyperspace to me, even if we aren't always consciously aware of those deeper levels of perceiving it. The most glaringly obvious experience of this kind for me has usually been with mushrooms or changa out in nature. I think we've mostly just barely begun re-learning how much we can actually bring that kind of perception back into everyday life. Maybe we shouldn't cut such a distinct line between this reality and the DMT reality. Our normal perception is limited by being so concept based and abstract, and the psychedelic state is like a river of experience that we normally don't enter fully.

Psychedelics at their best usually help me rejuvenate that child like awe, love, and appreciation of life and the universe in the funniest ways, even the mundane things. A canopy of leaves dancing in sunlight. Toes in the grass.. But perception of the less enjoyable aspects of life and this reality can increase to, obviously. That can be hard but we have to face it.

I think these other perceptual abilities are probably something we've lost, and some deep part of us knows that. There is a whole other state of mind that is just outside of our normal reach. To me that might explain some of your feelings, or at least similar ones that I've had. It's essentially what countless traditions have been saying for ages.

If you feel like you are really in danger with this as you say, then the break sounds like a good idea. It doesn't hurt to get grounded in the good of this world and yourself.

 

[○]

This reality/universe/consciousness/experience in some very literal way 'is' hyperspace to me, even if we aren't always consciously aware of those deeper levels of perceiving it. The most glaringly obvious experience of this kind for me has usually been with mushrooms or changa out in nature. I think we've mostly just barely begun re-learning how much we can actually bring that kind of perception back into everyday life. Maybe we shouldn't cut such a distinct line between this reality and the DMT reality. Our normal perception is limited by being so concept based and abstract, and the psychedelic state is like a river of experience that we normally don't enter fully.

One n' the same.

Bingo bango.

8)

Good stuff and my thoughts exactly.

 

[○]

I'll add a little bit more, basically sharing my sentiments in line with what universe said.

I've found that DMT (and several here have said it) is a mirror more or less (and I agree), in that 'hyperspace' IS life itself and our co-mingling of such. I don't cut much a distinction, as UC said. One thing, one essence, one movement - this dance, both so interpenetrated that hyperspace and consensual reality are no different in my eyes.

Life can be just as effortless as the DMT experience, if you let it. One current, one river. Never stand stagnant, never swim up river. Stay busy, plug away, experience, be active as much as is possible given your life. Strive for those good experiences. Always push into new avenues. Treat your body as well as you can - exercise, good diet, lots of produce/whole foods. Pay attention; always ..pay attention.

Ime, i've found the DMT experience to always be tangential to the moment in my life at that time; like a jumping off point. Whereever I am at at that point in time in my life, the DMT experience structures and weaves accordingly, spinning the impossibilities that it does based on that very moment. Hyperspace evolves as I evolve. The lines eventually become much less distinct until it becomes apparent that it's all THAT, and that hyperspace and consensus reality depend entirely on oneanother; in that both are equally as profound; equally as sacred; equally as special. A beautiful symbiosis of matter and Spirit.

When the see-saw teeters too much on one end, as UC said, this could be a gentle nudging on the sign of 'taking a break'. Hyperspace isn't going anywhere. Live life.

 

[cave paintings]

I'll echo the above posts once more just for positive effect. To work in this world is to work in that world. All part of the same source or system. 'Normal' waking reality is just as malleable, spontaneous and infinite in experience as the DMT world I feel. The trick is to integrate the lessons and flow with them.
Smoalk moar?

 

[Rocket3476stz]

Here something I found in The Upanishads: "What is there in this world that remains to be desired to a person who has known the Self? Nothing in all the treasures of the Kingdom, nothing in all the charms and beauties of this world can draw his attention. What happiness, what supreme joy, what an ocean of bliss, how indescribable is the Self! That infinite joy, that supreme bliss, that infinite happiness you are, that is your real Self; that is your Atman."

I think we just get to know our Self in a different way when we use the Spice.

 

[travsha]

I remember my San Pedro shaman told me a story one time.... When she started working with the cactus she wanted to try Ayahuasca, but the Ayahuasquero told her to wait a year. She didnt know why.

After another year of working with San Pedro she came back to him (this was during her apprenticeship). She drank Ayahuasca and learned why she needed that year with San Pedro first - San Pedro taught her to love herself and love this planet. Without that self love she wouldnt have come back from her Ayahuasca experience - it would have just been an escape for her. She needed the grounding before she could safely go into the Spirit World.....

 

[DisEmboDied]

I guess it has become an escape for me, not in the beginning, but at some point. Escape goes against my values and judgment, it is to me just not right, not scientific, not spiritual. So I guess until I learn to return to baseline, and if I want to pick up and continue in a healthy, spiritually connecting way, then at that point it should be fine.

Figuring this out as I type. Thanks!

 

[null24]

Ime, i've found the DMT experience to always be tangential to the moment in my life at that time; like a jumping off point. Whereever I am at at that point in time in my life, the DMT experience structures and weaves accordingly, spinning the impossibilities that it does based on that very moment. Hyperspace evolves as I evolve. The lines eventually become much less distinct until it becomes apparent that it's all THAT, and that hyperspace and consensus reality depend entirely on oneanother; in that both are equally as profound; equally as sacred; equally as special. A beautiful symbiosis of matter and Spirit.

Right, right. The consensus reality that we inhabit could be thought of as a projection or shadow of the 'higher' reality that is hyperspace. As I become more aware that hyperspace is something outside my consciousness, in that it is a "place" that this reality is extended from, where things exist as potential, or as energetic forms, and that DMT is a tool that allows my consciousness to interact with it for the sake of knowledge, the more effectively I'm able to use it, and the less scary it becomes. Still, as a practice that involves accessing deep states of consciousness not through initiatory spiritual practice, but rather through purposeful synaptic stimulation, it is one that requires dedication, practice and intent, not in that order. But with those things, I feel more confident in upping,rather than slacking my dose, as OP opined.

I feel you though, DisEmboDied, and applaud your self awareness and insight, DMT should not be an escape valve. There are plenty of allies that are good for that, and even some like cannabis for me, that can be used safely with little addictive potential as long as one has self awareness- and you seem to.

When the see-saw teeters too much on one end, as UC said, this could be a gentle nudging on the sign of 'taking a break'. Hyperspace isn't going anywhere. Live life.

Yup. Hyperspace simply is.

 

[DisEmboDied]

Update:

I just did some spice, and I feel great. I now feel bad for all of my boo-hooing, I suppose I was depressed. But I asked the Goddess to heal my melancholy and at first it got worse, and then the sunshine shown and I came back born again, as a newborn child.

I forgot that anytime I feel down and depressed, about every few weeks, I do about a medium dose to work through it, meditate on it and get to the root of the problem, by asking questions and by purging out deep-seated emotions. I do wonder though if my occasional depression is being caused, and then solved, by routine psychedelic medicinal arousals.

Sorry, and thanks.

"Smoalk moar?" ~Cave Paintings

 

[Jees]

Don't "sorry" for asking perspectives in the OP, it's the thing to do. :thumb_up:

 

[DisEmboDied]

A very reputable source told this to me today,

"There is the possibility that there is a rebound effect from DMT use; it promotes release/uptake, etc. of serotonin and other compounds.
When you stop using it, the brain attempts to readjust its normal “balance” but usually does not attain the same state. Withdrawal may be similar to, yet milder
than, stopping a prescription anti-depressant.

I think DMT shows us the complexity of our own minds and that we should work to open those areas of the brain ourselves."

 

[Infectedstyle]