Last week after work. I got some dmt base and converted it into DMT fumaric then put a bunch of into a Syringe.witch was stupid because I probably should of weigh it out first but I could find my mg scale at the time Then I slammed it. Pulled the needle out and sat back in my couch the room started change and the next thing I know I'm in the ER
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SLAMED A LOT OF DMT
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This post should serve as a prime example of how NOT to do DMT. There's a reasonable amount of debate about the "right" way to do DMT, and whether such a thing exists is still not clear, but there definitely are objectively wrong ways to do it, and this is one of them.
Hopefully you have learned your lesson and will approach this experience with more respect and diligence next time.
Hopefully you have learned your lesson and will approach this experience with more respect and diligence next time.
Animistic
Titanium Teammate
And your point coming on the internet to tell a bunch of strangers is?
A) To out yourself as a legit fool
B) To serve as a truly outstanding and inspirational example of how not to do DMT.
C) Describe a time you could have killed yourself
D) Internet points
E) All the above
There's only one right answer ladies and gents.
A) To out yourself as a legit fool
B) To serve as a truly outstanding and inspirational example of how not to do DMT.
C) Describe a time you could have killed yourself
D) Internet points
E) All the above
There's only one right answer ladies and gents.
(:Hulius:)
Esteemed member
Hi Elftax,
what was the diagnosis of the ER?
Was your life in trouble?
what was the diagnosis of the ER?
Was your life in trouble?
Ragebait or a cry for help? Only time will tell.
I wish @elftax all the best and hope they learned something without sustaining permanent physical or psychosocial damage, and maybe - if they're motivated to learn more - that they stick around and stay in touch.
It would be particularly good to get a sensible answer to @(:Hulius:)' question
An inferred estimate of the likely dose would also be of (anecdotal) use for the scientific literature.
I wish @elftax all the best and hope they learned something without sustaining permanent physical or psychosocial damage, and maybe - if they're motivated to learn more - that they stick around and stay in touch.
It would be particularly good to get a sensible answer to @(:Hulius:)' question
An inferred estimate of the likely dose would also be of (anecdotal) use for the scientific literature.
As a warning to others that are thinking of doing the same
They didn't
They did not say anything about my life being in danger but my roommate told me that I was choking on my own tongue
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If I ever decide to do it that way again I will make sure the dose is alot smaller and that I have a suitable trip setter but for now I will stick to just smoking
IceKoldpp
Established member
genuinely asking. is injection a common way of doing dmt? outside of dr. strassman's study and the more recent DMTx studies i've never heard of anyone administering it this way. especially self administering. curious what the advantages would be of injection rather than smoalking/vaping? also curious what your personal motivation was for going the injection route? again, no judgement. genuinely asking.
IceKoldpp
Established member
thanks for sharing! very interesting reading. i had no idea this was a thing. definitely can't say it'll ever be me though. that is unless i ever get accepted by on of the DMTx trials.
if I w
If I ever decide to do it that way again I will make sure the dose is alot smaller and that I have a suitable trip setter but for now I will stick to just smoki
I wanted to breakthrough but I could never seam to take the next hit I would always get Side tracked so I figured by injecting there would no chance of that
Servant
Esteemed member
Hey elftax!!!
WoW bud!!! I really glad that you are fine
Thanks for sharing that experience of yours! But hey, please take care of yourself and be very careful with DMT. Always weight your dosage.
I understand your concerns about not breaking through, but kmon, please be careful with those needles, its a no no thing.
Better try making some extra strong enhanced leaf or extra strong changa, but even then, know your dosage.
Once again I'm glad that you are fine
Be well always
WoW bud!!! I really glad that you are fine
Thanks for sharing that experience of yours! But hey, please take care of yourself and be very careful with DMT. Always weight your dosage.
I understand your concerns about not breaking through, but kmon, please be careful with those needles, its a no no thing.
Better try making some extra strong enhanced leaf or extra strong changa, but even then, know your dosage.
Once again I'm glad that you are fine
Be well always
With the right technique, it's possible - at least for some people - to achieve a one hit breakthrough. Information about this is discussed in various places around the forum.
There is no real need to inject DMT. 1.) Your DMT though very pure is not pure enough to shoot into a vein. 2.) If you do not use super sterile, one-time use works like disposable needles and a filter (damn even a cotton ball might help) pre injection as well as a steri-wipe for injection site, a steri-cup for solution preparation, etc. you risk toxic reactions, injection point infections and so much more.
Seriously, just weigh out a solid dose of fb crystal, then use a reliable and solid delivery device like GVG or e-mesh and do your best to get it in deep into your lungs, get it ALL in or as much as possible in that first hit and hold it 10-20 seconds. Exhale, VERY quick recovery breath if needed. IMMEDIATELY repeat until the hit is clear or you loose the room/device.
What's injection going to offer that smoking cannot? 0.4 seconds faster crossing the blood brain barrier? I mean both ROA's deliver to active transport at the BBB within a couple breaths at the most. And after thousands of exposures, I've had some crazy things happen, but I've never wound up in the hands of police or medical professionals during or after a smoked DMT session.
Seriously, just weigh out a solid dose of fb crystal, then use a reliable and solid delivery device like GVG or e-mesh and do your best to get it in deep into your lungs, get it ALL in or as much as possible in that first hit and hold it 10-20 seconds. Exhale, VERY quick recovery breath if needed. IMMEDIATELY repeat until the hit is clear or you loose the room/device.
What's injection going to offer that smoking cannot? 0.4 seconds faster crossing the blood brain barrier? I mean both ROA's deliver to active transport at the BBB within a couple breaths at the most. And after thousands of exposures, I've had some crazy things happen, but I've never wound up in the hands of police or medical professionals during or after a smoked DMT session.
Many people assume that intravenous (IV) administration is the fastest way to deliver a drug to the brain... In fact, vaporized (inhaled) administration is always faster in terms of onset.
The reason being with IV, even in the case of a rapid bolus dose, the drug must travel through the veins to the heart, then to the lungs, and finally to the brain. In contrast, vaporized drugs enter the lungs directly and from there reach the brain rapidly via pulmonary circulation. So in terms of speed, vaporization is always faster than IV for achieving peak brain concentrations. Which is directly proportional to the intensity of the experience..
The limitation with vaping is not the speed, but the dose: you're restricted by how much you can inhale in a single breath, and how many inhalations you can reasonably take. IV doesn’t have that limitation; dose can be much higher and is only limited by the infusion rate. However, this becomes irrelevant for highly potent substances like DMT or 5-MeO-DMT, since it is easy to overdose and take too much even in a single inhalation or two, if executed with proper technique.
In my experience, a standard IV dose of these substances takes roughly as long to reach peak effects as two or three inhalations. So if the goal is simply a rapid and intense breakthrough experience, vaporization remains the most effective and practical route. That said, I’ve found that increasing the intensity through faster onset or higher doses doesn’t necessarily enhance the quality or value of the experience. I've explored several routes of administration (ROA), and the most meaningful breakthroughs often come from something else entirely, the blessing we really have when it comes to DMT is MAOI....
Even if you could control the rate of administration perfectly, this combination fundamentally changes the experience in a way that IV alone, even with perfect control, cannot replicate. Both due to the ability to extend the onset and metabolism as well as the synergy between the two itself... The effect of synergy is well known and reported by many but I believe that the effect MAOI has simply changing the metabolism dramatically alters the experience as well which is often attributed to MAOI and synergy but in reality it has its own dramatic effects on its own..
The experience itself is deeply influenced by the time it takes to reach peak concentration. For instance, if a dose reaches its peak in 2 minutes, the result is usually a very intense, fast onset and a similarly rapid comedown. On the other hand, if that same dose reaches peak over 30–45 minutes, the experience is longer, slower to build, and usually more integrated.
Certain substances like DMT or ketamine have well-defined experiential regimes: the "breakthrough" with DMT or the "K-hole" with ketamine. These often require a fast and concentrated onset. However, some of the most meaningful and valuable experiences lie outside these extremes... in slower, more controlled ascents and descents.
Controlling the rate of onset and offset is complex and molecule-specific. Short-acting compounds like DMT metabolize quickly, which makes sustained high plasma concentrations difficult without continuous infusion or MAOIs. This is why IV drip is used in clinical ketamine treatments: its short half-life allows for prolonged effects without dangerous accumulation. But IV drips are impractical outside of clinical settings and can be uncomfortable due to constant attachment.
Intramuscular (IM) administration is a reasonable compromise. It offers slower absorption than a bolus IV injection, peaking in about 15 minutes, yet it's still fast enough to trigger an immersive experience. For ketamine, this is why IM is often the preferred route: IV administration can be too rapid and disorienting, while IM allows for more gradual immersion and integration during each stage of the experience.
The key insight here is that the speed of onset can dramatically alter the nature of the experience. It’s well-known that there’s a threshold speed necessary to trigger a DMT breakthrough or ketamine K-hole. But faster and more intense isn’t always better. Many users mistakenly believe that if “fast and high” produced a breakthrough, then “faster and higher” must be better, this is not the case.
The sweet spot is somewhere in-between, a balance where the onset is fast enough to induce the desired state, but slow enough to allow awareness and integration. Unfortunately, due to limitations in how most substances are administered, we often only experience either ultra-fast or ultra-slow onsets, and rarely anything in between.
However, there are ways to explore this middle ground. 5-meo-DMT is a perfect example, most users only know it experience that comes from vaporization... and due to the higher potency of 5meo-dmt relative to N,N-DMT, the rapid onset and rapid intensity that comes with it is even MORE PRONOUNCED and exaggerated... rarely can one experience what a breakthrough dose of 5-meo-DMT is like with a slower onset... since it doesn't have the option that DMT has of combination with MAOI for a slower onset oral dosage... like the discussion you see in this thread for example : Rectal 5-MeO-DMT administration route
IM provides a very powerful and meaningful experience which I have not been able to replicate by other ROA.. Recently, I've been investigating the use of 5-MeO-DMT in a special formulation using a mixture of salt and freebase, solvent, and cyclodextrin for a highly absorbable nasal spray formulation. This could potentially approximate the onset curve of an IM injection, offering a smoother yet potent experience. Nasal administration by itself is insufficient due to the poor absorption, and as a result requires high dosages, and while the optimal experience can certainly still be achieved this way, its rather inconsistent, because its very difficult to control the actual dose being absorbed, so its easy to overshoot and undershoot..
Ultimately, the ideal route of administration depends on your goal. If you're seeking a fast, intense breakthrough with minimal equipment, vaporization is unparalleled—especially for potent tryptamines like N,N-DMT or 5-MeO-DMT. But if you're exploring the full spectrum of possible experience, a meaningful experience... with deeper integration and prolonged introspection, a slower onset through IM or carefully controlled ROA is the way forward.
The point is to understand how timing shapes consciousness of the experience, the deepest experiences have the perfect storm combination of dose and onset.... ... dose is too high onset too fast, no experience, or not a useful one like our OP example..
With respect to the OP, exactly the reason why these ROA are discouraged due to inexperience and recklessness, for personal health but also not to mention its something that greatly damages the community as a whole when the media gets ahold of stories like that with people injecting drugs and ending up in the hospital. My post here is generally for information and for more in-depth discussion on the different possible experience themselves and what hasn't been explored and potentially what can be understood from it.. particularly this happens so frequently with inexperienced users because they are familiar dosing with vaporization/smoking, and so they load up 40-50mg of DMT or more, because they assume that is how much is actually getting to the brain when in reality its maybe 20-25% depending on technique.... with good technique a GVG or other suitable device it can be much higher like 70-80% so when it comes to IV a few miligrams makes a very big difference, 1 or 2 milligrams is the difference between an intense experience and a complete amnesia OD..
Personally, i've certainly had my share of overshoots, even when doing things in the most calculated manner, its unexplored territory.. for instance exploring the different high dose regimes of the synthetic N,N-dialkyl tryptamine analogs, in the beginning I wanted to know if DMT breakthrough experience was possible with these higher substituted tryptamines, which could not be vaporized due to their higher necessary dosages
IceKoldpp
Established member
may i ask what your normal method of administering your dmt is? for awhile i had a similar issue of not being able to breakthrough when attempting to smoke it by myself bc of not being able to take follow up hits. this was when i was still using the standard oil burner (crack/meth style) pipe.
my suggestion would definitely be to get yourself a gvg. emesh is fine too but is much more finicky and parts are getting harder and harder to source. the first time i used my gvg i only loaded up 25mg and was able to take it all in one single hit. i've never had trouble breaking through (when i'm trying to break through) since. it's very easy to use and get the hang of.
1Starway7
Established member
You may have injected something very impure! ........clean dmt .....shouldent cause the suffereng you described.. ...?
i never inject...vaping..or sublingual is fast enough...
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Here&Now
Titanium Teammate
I have a good amount of experience using subcutaneous injection with DMT and 5-MeO-DMT. I've never tried IV or even IM though, so I don't have a reference to compare.
For the responsible practitioner, injection can be great. Since volumetric dosing is inherent to the process, accuracy and consistency are pretty much guaranteed. But if you're not ready to give the ROA the caution it deserves, you're probably better off sticking to non-needle options.
For the responsible practitioner, injection can be great. Since volumetric dosing is inherent to the process, accuracy and consistency are pretty much guaranteed. But if you're not ready to give the ROA the caution it deserves, you're probably better off sticking to non-needle options.
Choking on your own tongue is possible no matter what the situation is, its just a result of the fact you cannot respond due to the loss of consciousness , whether that is induced by too much DMT or something else, you are reliant on your body still reacting via involuntary response, just like your breathing and heart can keep going even while in a coma. If you are on your back and you start choking on your tongue, even if your body responds but you are unable to change position, it can still result in lack of oxygen to the brain, leading to brain damage or death if long enough without intervention, this is why you shouldn't use any substances alone regardless of the case
Sounds hairy. Glad to hear you are ok.
Sounds like with an experienced sitter, this experience would not have ended up requiring outside assistance. I would say that is the main take away from this.
Sure, it's not recommended to partake in this way, but I know a few people, myself being one of them, who have taken large amounts in unregulated ways, and have come out of the other side having had incredible experiences and perspective shifts.
I'm all for letting people make their own mistakes, and do not believe that risk needs to be eliminated. There does seem to be something of a puritanical streak running through certain members here, wanting to make everything 100% safe, and being very judgemental of people who behave in ways they do not approve of.
Maybe this is linked to not wanting the Nexus being seen as leading people into dangerous situations, which is laudable, but i do find the tone to be somewhat judgemental ono occasion. We each have a consciousness, and like the nurse said, it's yours, and you can play with it as much as you want. Sure, some things may not be sensible, but how fucking dull life would be if everything was!
As for injecting, a friend of mine, years ago, who had been sectioned, told me you can take whatever you like, just don't make a hole in your body to do it. Good advice, imo.