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I had my first smoking freebase 5meo-dmt experience with some friends the other day. Wow, great stuff !
Want to share the smoking technique we perfected over the night...
We used two Glass Vapor Genie's, two people smoking at the same time. One was loaded with the Volcano Solid Valve Liquid Pad, the other with the VaporGenie Concentrate Pad. Both pads worked. Personally I prefer the volcano pad. (1) It has better air flow, (2) the smoke feels less harsh on my lungs, (3) it didn't need to be burned clean as often. The volcano pad needs to be cut to the right size to fit the GVG. Cut it so that it fits in the bottom chamber with as little space on the sides as possible (needs to be pushed in /pulled out through the narrow neck with tweezers).
Initially we had occasional trouble getting all the smoke in. After each round we re-toked the GVG to see how much 5meo remained in the vape. Sometimes this was quite a lot, giving the person smoking the leftovers (of both devices) a strong /breakthrough experience. Eventually we improved the smoking technique to get everything in without relying on luck.
This is how we did it:
1 - Use a GVG, a concentrate pad and an arch lighter. Place the concentrate pad as low as possible in the GVG. Push it down onto the internal pipe screen. Weight out a dose of cruched 5meo crystals and carefully drop it on the middle of the pad inside the GVG. Keep the GVG neck vertical, also while starting to smoke. This way all powder stays in the middle of the pad and none melts into the glass.
2 - Light the ceramic filter with the flame touching it for 5 seconds to pre-heat it. Don't inhale yet at this point.
3 - First exhale all air from your lungs, then -slowly- (!) inhale while lighting the ceramic filter. Circle the flame touching the ceramic filter. Hold the GVG with a hand at the curve on the bottom. When it starts to get very hot, move the lighter a bit higher, so only the tip of the flame touches the ceramic. Keep inhaling slowly until your lungs are completely full. Hold your breath for +10 seconds (preferably +15).
4 - Redo step 3. After two inhalations you should have all the smoke in. Just to be sure inhale a 3th time and keep the smoke in while lying down. Note that during the 3th inhalation you will feel extremely trippy, probably even at the 2nd. Have someone else do the lighter work and guide you. Be strong and keep going, you won't regret.
Note: the amount of heat created holding the lighter this close would burn freebase DMT, but only vape 5meo - so don't worry. Our main mistake in the beginning was applying too little heat (lighter too far away) and inhaling too hard (too fast), resulting in not all 5meo evaporating.
EDIT:
According to others the dosages below seem too high. After trying 5meo with the e-mesh this is correct. With the e-mesh 6-7 mg is very strong. The high doses stated below might be due to bad vape technique /device and/or the compound being 5meo-dmt-hcl (a salt form) instead of freebase.
For 5meo e-mesh vaping see:
We found the optimal dosage of 5meo-dmt to be 20 mg. 15 mg was a hit and miss. 10 mg was too weak. Counter intuitively a large dose is easier to handle than a smaller one due to ego resistance at lower levels. At higher levels all you can do is experience. Either being in an ego-less state of oneness or floating on a wave between self-consciousness and infinity. Having said that, I recommend beginners to start at a lower dosage and work your way up. First 12 mg, then 16 mg and 20 mg. This gets you used to the body load. Remember that higher dosages usually lead to nicer experiences.
Enjoy & be safe!
I had my first smoking freebase 5meo-dmt experience with some friends the other day. Wow, great stuff !
Want to share the smoking technique we perfected over the night...
We used two Glass Vapor Genie's, two people smoking at the same time. One was loaded with the Volcano Solid Valve Liquid Pad, the other with the VaporGenie Concentrate Pad. Both pads worked. Personally I prefer the volcano pad. (1) It has better air flow, (2) the smoke feels less harsh on my lungs, (3) it didn't need to be burned clean as often. The volcano pad needs to be cut to the right size to fit the GVG. Cut it so that it fits in the bottom chamber with as little space on the sides as possible (needs to be pushed in /pulled out through the narrow neck with tweezers).
Initially we had occasional trouble getting all the smoke in. After each round we re-toked the GVG to see how much 5meo remained in the vape. Sometimes this was quite a lot, giving the person smoking the leftovers (of both devices) a strong /breakthrough experience. Eventually we improved the smoking technique to get everything in without relying on luck.
This is how we did it:
1 - Use a GVG, a concentrate pad and an arch lighter. Place the concentrate pad as low as possible in the GVG. Push it down onto the internal pipe screen. Weight out a dose of cruched 5meo crystals and carefully drop it on the middle of the pad inside the GVG. Keep the GVG neck vertical, also while starting to smoke. This way all powder stays in the middle of the pad and none melts into the glass.
2 - Light the ceramic filter with the flame touching it for 5 seconds to pre-heat it. Don't inhale yet at this point.
3 - First exhale all air from your lungs, then -slowly- (!) inhale while lighting the ceramic filter. Circle the flame touching the ceramic filter. Hold the GVG with a hand at the curve on the bottom. When it starts to get very hot, move the lighter a bit higher, so only the tip of the flame touches the ceramic. Keep inhaling slowly until your lungs are completely full. Hold your breath for +10 seconds (preferably +15).
4 - Redo step 3. After two inhalations you should have all the smoke in. Just to be sure inhale a 3th time and keep the smoke in while lying down. Note that during the 3th inhalation you will feel extremely trippy, probably even at the 2nd. Have someone else do the lighter work and guide you. Be strong and keep going, you won't regret.
Note: the amount of heat created holding the lighter this close would burn freebase DMT, but only vape 5meo - so don't worry. Our main mistake in the beginning was applying too little heat (lighter too far away) and inhaling too hard (too fast), resulting in not all 5meo evaporating.
EDIT:
According to others the dosages below seem too high. After trying 5meo with the e-mesh this is correct. With the e-mesh 6-7 mg is very strong. The high doses stated below might be due to bad vape technique /device and/or the compound being 5meo-dmt-hcl (a salt form) instead of freebase.
For 5meo e-mesh vaping see:
Enjoy & be safe!