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Smoking caapi / oral dmt

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Agave

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Hi folks, I have a little mimosa tea left over from my last aya session. I was wondering if I drank the tea and maybe an hour later smoked some enhanced caapi vine is there any reason this wouldn't work? On another note, what would be the simplest sure fire tek for smokeable dmt for use in changa? I would like to avoid using caustic solvents if at all possible. Thanks.
 
Agave said:
Hi folks, I have a little mimosa tea left over from my last aya session. I was wondering if I drank the tea and maybe an hour later smoked some enhanced caapi vine is there any reason this wouldn't work? On another note, what would be the simplest sure fire tek for smokeable dmt for use in changa? I would like to avoid using caustic solvents if at all possible. Thanks.
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Try it the other way. Smoke the caapi first then drink the juice...you might have a better shot at it.
 
I guess my thinking is that the inhaled smoke would be immediate while the ingested mimosa may take up to an hour.
 
I do not think it would work. The MAO in your stomach would probably destroy the dmt. Maybe you could take a small dose of caapi orally with yoru mimosa tea and then vape harmalas later on similar to taking a light pharma dose and vaping spice to create higher peaks.

Would love to read the report either way.

Just a thought. To make a post more useful to other nexians... a clear subject would allow others to find it more easily using the search functions headers field.

This evening news style "teaser" subject limits the availability of the knowledge within. Maybe something like " smoke caapi with oral dmt"
 
As soon as the mimosa hit your stomach, your MAO would break dmt down.. Also when you smoke caapi vine/MAOIs, they are gonna go from your lungs to your blood and brain, they wont go to the stomach, so no matter when you smoke it, it wont inhibit the MAO in your stomach, hence it wont really work to activate oral dmt/mimosa.

And yes please as madcap said, use the thread title to help people knowing what is inside... I edited it, hope you dont mind.

Regarding changa tek, you first need to extract dmt and then dissolve in some solvent (which can be something as simple as vodka / ethanol) and then evap that onto herbs. Also I think you need to read up better on chemistry, solvents arent caustic, solvents may be flammable, or some of them may be toxic, but caustic = chemicals that can cause corrosion such as NaOH. But if you take the simple safety precautions (just as you do when you drive a car/use a knife/whatever), there is no reason to fear it. NaOH is used in the manufacturing of many food products.

In any case, you can always look into the food-safe teks, check the WIKI and the 'sustainable nexus' subforum, teks such as amor fati's will use only food-safe products to extract dmt. Good luck!
 
Thanks for your educated reply endlessness. Changa really does intrigue me, Guess I'm finally going to have to get down to some dmt extraction. The little woman is going to freak. of course your absolutely right about the thread topic, Makes a lot of sense.
 
I agree your not going to get oral dmt to work with smoked harmalas...
HOWEVER.... There is a possibility that smoked harmalas could possibly work with a cold water infusion of MHRB.
It does work, otts done it, I believe it was David aardvark from the entheogen review that did it as well. And if callaway did it and discovered the yurmmerine and it's possible action in making the dmt orally active. 15-30gms cold soaked for a day in the fridge with just enough water to cover ground rootbark will do the trick. Do NOT heat it.
The tanins are really hard on the stomach. But it works to produce an interesting high and visionary state. Smoke the caapi prior to drinking then smoke it through out the session.
Jurema traditionally was drank with honey added to it and alcohol is drank through out the ceremony. People get possessed by spirits of light from the mountain forests. The light beings drink the alcohol and after drinking an entire bottle of rum they come out of the trance dead sober and smelling like they never drank a sip.

Pharmahuasca, Anahuasca and Vinho da Jurema; Human Pharmacology of Oral DMT Plus Harmine by Jonathon Ott
 
Yeah Dorge is right, but then it wouldnt be because of the smoked MAOI, rather because yuremamine present in mimosa works as a MAOI by itself. But its a sensitive molecule, so heat or addition of any acid will destroy it. But Dorge, why do you say soaking in the fridge, that makes no sense to me? Maybe its a misinterpretation of what 'cold water soak' means? Cold isnt supposed to be fridge cold, just room temperature is fine (and also will for sure dissolve more alkaloids than fridge-cold). Remember the traditional jurema use in northeast brazil use(d) room temperature water for it.

But considering you smoked the MAOI after you were feeling the effects of the CWE (cold water extraction) of mimosa, it could possibly potentiate it? Let us know if you try it.
 
the fridge may not be nessecary, but I put mine inthe fridge for a week, Which is why I thought of that. I did that because I didn't want t to ferment or get contaminated or anything. Probably unessecary to.

Yeah that's my point smoking the leaf would probably increase the effects or alter them in some way. Is worn a shot.
I would suggest this. Make a 10-20x extract of vine on infused leaf. And smoke that, I believe that the vine extracts are stronger and last longer in the system, I also think that the more you smoke the more you build up maoi levels in the brain. The reason why I think this is because I've noticed thatthe stronger the extract and with vine included you can smoke between longer pauses. This leads me to believe there is a build up or somthing is happening there.

At any rate I think that there is a strong possibility that this could work.
 
Interesting Dorge, over what period of time are you smoking and feeling the build up? It does make sense that there is a build up if its not more than a few hours.. Experience with ayahuasca confirms this in the sense that taking more even after a couple of hours will add to the experience and making it stronger. I wonder though if the half-life of harmalas will change depending on mode of ingestion? Maybe smoking it is metabolized faster than ingesting?
 
I dont think that smoking as aposed to drinking makes as great of a difference, maybe, but immersion not sure. but what I do know is that after and hour and a half when swim had smoked then ate a full meal breaking his fast... He was able to start up again with a tremendous continuation of the trip. That says a lot to swim. Swim has been able to do this many times with out fail after smoking strong extracts of leaf and vine since then. This tells swim that there is a buildup of MAOIs in swims system, as if this was not the case swim would have had the tolerance built up and with minimalsmeffevts after smoking small amounts of Changa and 10x extract. Even when smoking 10x extract in Changa one can stoplight that 15-30'min threes hold if one is not working with it enough. If one smokes long enough one appears to build a "counter tolerance" with the aid of the MAOIs. And seems to be able to prolong the 15-30 min window much longer.
 
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