Something that has been on my mind

[Elpo]

Hi everyone,

I have always been wondering if these worlds revealed to us are internal or external? Do they really exist out there, or do they only exist in our mind?
I really like the theory about our brain being like a radio of which the frequency can be changed to see/hear other "music" or tune in to other channels. I was just wondering how you guys look at this subject. My experience with entheogens gives me reason to believe that it is exterior, but time and again i'm confronted with the power of our mind and about how mysterious it still is to science.

Theories and thoughts would be much appreciated.

Peace

 

[endlessness]

hello

you can be sure this is a very discussed topic in the psychedelic-related circles.

I also find the analogy about brain being a 'receiver' as interesting, but whether it really explains what goes on, I dont know.

I've thought a lot about this subject, and here's where im at, more or less: on one hand, subjectively, the experience is incredibly convincing and feels more-real-than-real. There is definitely a sensation of impossibility of being my own creation due to the superior complexity of the effects, and it feels like, if all those complex experiences and perceptions really comes from inside ourselves, then we are all greater artists than picasso, dali, alex grey or whoever (so give me all the money I deserve )

On the other hand, claiming that it comes from outside begs a whole lot of other questions, and it doesnt really explain anything in the end, its just using an abstract word, "outside", and connecting it to an experience.

Also, chosing one side over another already rules out at least one more interesting possibility which is that it is a mix of inside and outside.

Now, for me, in the end, it does not matter. Sure I will be always interested in discussions (and usually I take the devil's advocate position and go against whatever the other people believe), and will always be interested also in any research this area, but.. The experience is still profoundly life-changing, amazing, mind-boggling, and giving a word or 'putting the fault' to our brain synapses misfiring or to real hyperspace aliens doesnt exhaust the experience and all it can be. Its like in school when a child has a deep curiosity and asks a teacher "whats this", when a firefly passes by, and teacher goes like: "ah, its just a bug".. As if this name, "bug", is all there is to it, as if this is the full explanation, while for the child's curiosity that slowly gets crushed with such cold outview of the world, the question wasnt only about giving it some name, but intuitively its about the whole complexity of that animal, why it lights up, how comes it exists at all, how does it relate to other animals, why is it different than the other firefly from the other day, etc etc etc

So in the same way, I feel that, whatever explanation is given, its still gonna remain having a very mysterious aspect, and I will still be able to learn new things from it every single time. Lastly, I just want to emphasize the idea that its important that we are always critical of all the models and do not consider them as final, even if they seem to make a lot of sense to us for the moment

 

[MagikVenom]

Hi everyone,

I have always been wondering if these worlds revealed to us are internal or external? Do they really exist out there, or do they only exist in our mind?
I really like the theory about our brain being like a radio of which the frequency can be changed to see/hear other "music" or tune in to other channels. I was just wondering how you guys look at this subject. My experience with entheogens gives me reason to believe that it is exterior, but time and again i'm confronted with the power of our mind and about how mysterious it still is to science.

Theories and thoughts would be much appreciated.

Peace

Hello
Is the brain conciseness? If I knew that answer I would no longer be hanging here there would be no need. Nobody knows yet forsure and anyone who tells you different is a liar.


Welcome to the Quest Friend

Peace
MV

 

[glasseyed]

Heyo

Maybe its an external or seperate world that is only accessible through the mind, maybe even a world that is created originally by you and seperates off from us when it has reached maturity, like a plant putting out runners, all your experiences and attitudes have contributed to this world and at some point it seperates off. maybe if our world is created by our experiences some peoples world have not been created as the most beautiful of places.

i like that theory too, makes a lot of sense, everything seems to be made up of waves or particles, and it would explain why no thought particle has been found

so which do you lean towards, exterior or interior?

they both have interesting consequences

Good thread!

 

[amrilir]

Some people would argue that every model of reality is a mix of data coming from the "outside" and the "inside". I believe it was Richard Alpert who told (in his usual style) a parable of two people going through the same town but focusing their awareness on different elements so that, in the end, the two of them had walked through 2 different towns, in his interpretation (or was that Terence McKenna? Oh well..).

I'm rather convinced that it's a mix of the two. It seems that it's the hypothesis that has the least objections to it, for obvious reasons. I have sometimes found myself able to exercise some kind of control over my entity encounters. I would suddenly become aware that I'm putting words into their mouths and orchestrating their behavior. Other times they would seem completely independent. This seems to contradict both the exclusive "outside" and the exclusive "inside" hypotheses.

 

[GreenD]

Being more of a scientist than a spiritualist (however both are completely compatible) I am a firm believer that your mind contains your entire trip. I find that more beautiful than the fact that we see other worlds.

We are god.