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Spice alone vs. Spice w/ Sub-Lingual THH/CC

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Once

Once

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Several months ago I started smoking my usual dose of freebase DMT accompanied by 20-30mg of THH or Caapi Copy Sub-lingually. I have found the experience to be longer/slower, more understandable, and more comfortable. I get a warm centered feeling throughout the whole experience, however I have also found that I have a harder time achieving a breakthrough. Most of my experiences with smoking combined with Sub-lingual Harmalas have ended with very blissful trips, but have been without the utterly mind-boggling effects of my previous breakthroughs sans Harmalas. I find it hard to go back to smoking without the comfort of the Harmalas but I do urn for the amazement of my previous experiences.
Has anyone else noticed similar effects when using these combos?
 
Its interesting. Its like with Ayahuasca, breakthroughs can be hard to achieve... perhaps the Harmalas keep you grounded, having the effect of making it harder to breakthrough.

I did one of my first experiments with smoked spice (just a couple tokes on a changa joint) after sublingual THH. It was a very nice experience, similar to gentle ayahuasca for a short period.
 
Yeah.... perhaps they do have a grounding effect. The blissful comfort that comes with the harmalas is hard to give up, but the cold infinity of hyperspace beckons.....
 
How long before smoking does one take the THH? I'm still trying to find the right combination to facilitate a longer experience that I can remember more clearly.

Thanks,

Pokey the Curious
 
I usually dose 20-30mg THH or Caapi Copy and then go to my launch pad to prepare with relaxation and meditation until the right moment strikes. Usually it's 20-45min before I reach the optimal state for lift off.
 
I have never had the privelege of a smoked experience...

However, when drinking, I find it most efficient and effective to drink Caapi tea... wait 30 minutes... and then drink the admixture. I think it takes about that long to reach MAO inhibition, so if that is a person's aim, taking the DMT prematurely results in a more harmala-dominated experience. I have heard that waiting BEYOND 45 minutes is also less desirable for the DMT side of the experience; so, it would seem that there is a certain peak window (15-45 minutes IMHO) after ingesting harmalas to add the spice.

Although, harmalas are also extremely psychoactive in their own right (ask nicely and offer some sage)... Don't underestimate or overlook their majesty. 😉
 
A crude caapi extract gave my friend a slight dissonant feeling and it was even less visual than with syrian rue extract. He likes it better solo, but the prolonged peak makes somehow up for it. Its a different experience.
 
Once said:
Several months ago I started smoking my usual dose of freebase DMT accompanied by 20-30mg of THH or Caapi Copy Sub-lingually. I have found the experience to be longer/slower, more understandable, and more comfortable. I get a warm centered feeling throughout the whole experience, however I have also found that I have a harder time achieving a breakthrough. Most of my experiences with smoking combined with Sub-lingual Harmalas have ended with very blissful trips, but have been without the utterly mind-boggling effects of my previous breakthroughs sans Harmalas. I find it hard to go back to smoking without the comfort of the Harmalas but I do urn for the amazement of my previous experiences.
Has anyone else noticed similar effects when using these combos?
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Once - I agree with you completely. When I use THH sublingual, prior to smoked spice I get an amazingly psychedelic experience that is extended by probably 10min or more. The visuals are extremely vivid and colorful, and very, very detailed. The experience is slowed down and I have a very difficult time breaking through. I compare the experience to a very strong psychedelic experience, rather than a true spice visit to hyperspace. I do like the fact that I can recollect more of the details, but the details don't seem as "big" and important. You know?

Peace,
-idt
 
Idtravler,

Aha! Glad to have someone that can relate to my experience. I have also noticed that the Harmalas increase the brightness of the trip/colors. I have encountered some friends on my endeavors with Spice + THH/CC but I haven't gotten the same deep intensity in these meetings. I guess if I feel like going deep I need to hold off on the Harmalas. Suppose I need to get rid of the security blanket!
I can't wait to try the spice again by itself!
 
SWIM finds that he can potentially smoke all night without much tolerance with sublingual THH, that the experience undergoes significant (unpleasant, in SWIM's opinion) change immediately after the THH wears off. Though the experience can be somewhat easier in low doses, breakthrough doses can be quite debilitating, and while not so cosmic or strange as straight DMT breakthroughs, can be much more personally relevant and comprehensible. SWIM can't recall whether his breakthroughs have always come after hours of smoking and at least two sublingual doses, but his last one certainly did. SWIM suspects that it was just a matter of dosage and technique, rather than buildup, however.

SWIM finds the nature of the breakthroughs closer to an ayahuasca peak than a DMT breakthrough, however, though the power and rapidity of it is comparable.
 
How do you guys find the THH/CC affects the strength of Spice? Fati, you were saying that it lowers your tolerance, what is your usual dosage when combining with THH? Is it lower than with just straight spice? I find myself taking slightly lower doses when combined with THH, but only like 5mg less.
I haven't tried redosing THH for multiple spice sessions, I'm more of a "one shot one kill" kind of guy. When doing multiple sessions in one night do you usually find that your visions share a theme? or are they all there own unique experience?
 
In the case of Ayahuasca...

This is just a theory of mine, but the amount of DMT taken in an oral experience is something like a magnifying glass of consciousness. I always go to Ayahuasca for healing, and the amount of DMT dictates at which "microscope setting" I am allowed to in-vision and work with my problems.

Too little DMT will bring a quiet, sleepy, psychological experience. The hows and whys of healing are quantitatively understood, without graphic detail.

Too MUCH DMT can be ABSOLUTELY TERRIFYING and useless. Mostly sickness and hell-vision--those parasitic monsters in the bloodstream are not only being purged, but can be witnessed up close and personally, along with a direct experience of their wrath as they are chased from the body.

But like Goldilocks... there is a sweet spot... that is just right. There is a level that allows one to work actively with the medicine, travel through space or within the body, ask questions, and accomplish amazing things.

If that makes any sense at all!! The microscope is the best analogy I have...
 
Once said:
How do you guys find the THH/CC affects the strength of Spice? Fati, you were saying that it lowers your tolerance, what is your usual dosage when combining with THH? Is it lower than with just straight spice? I find myself taking slightly lower doses when combined with THH, but only like 5mg less.
I haven't tried redosing THH for multiple spice sessions, I'm more of a "one shot one kill" kind of guy. When doing multiple sessions in one night do you usually find that your visions share a theme? or are they all there own unique experience?
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I've only tried smoked spice with THH and other harmalas twice now and also experienced much heavier affects from lower doses. I did around 20mg and had an experience i would relate to a 40-50mg sub-breakthrough.
 
Once said:
How do you guys find the THH/CC affects the strength of Spice? Fati, you were saying that it lowers your tolerance, what is your usual dosage when combining with THH? Is it lower than with just straight spice? I find myself taking slightly lower doses when combined with THH, but only like 5mg less.
I haven't tried redosing THH for multiple spice sessions, I'm more of a "one shot one kill" kind of guy. When doing multiple sessions in one night do you usually find that your visions share a theme? or are they all there own unique experience?
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It doesn't lower SWIM's general tolerance, but very little or no rapid tolerance seems to build up through the night (consistent effects according to dose). SWIM also does lighter doses but more frequently with THH; however, a strong dose will take SWIM incredibly deep, but he generally only requires one of those in a night. SWIM can always tell when the THH wears off (things get very alien, sometimes bubbly, very out of place and absurd compared to the more ayahuasca-like experience), and so he only re-doses to either remedy or prevent it.
 
Thanks for the replies.... All of this over-analyzing has me exhausted! My new theory is fill up the pipe, smoke it down, and enjoy the ride! The rabbit hole is so deep, I think picking apart the minutia may just distract me from whats really important.

Keep Exploring,
Once
 
I got back to the basics today, I laid in bed and meditated for 45 minutes or so to prepare. I always have such great experiences I don't know why I always have such trepidation before opening the door again. I loaded 50mg in my machine, my first trip sans harmalas in almost a year. It was great! It is indeed much faster, and more intense than with THH or CC.
In this experience I met an interesting digital space ghost type fellow, who created some very intricate displays for me. After the initial meeting with this fellow I only remember being communicated with by either a watchful spirit or maybe my own sub-concious telling me that it is time for me to create again, and start working towards reaching my potential! Ive been in a little rut lately, its getting cold here and I've been spending too much time on the couch.
Anyway, it was good to reacquaint myself with the pure smoked DMT experience. What an amazing tool, the plants really do have a lot to teach us, I can't wait to start exploring other admixtures, maybe its time to make some Changa!
 
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