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Spice melts before it vaporizes....right?

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behindthelight

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It sounds like you totally loosing your dmt as it melts. Yes it melts very easily. What kind of pipe are you using? i can help you out but need more info to do so.
 
behindthelight said:
I am using a GVG. Like I said, when I was doing small doses....I can do it perfectly. But when I jumped up to this big dose, I did something wrong. I tried pulling all of it in in one hit. So I think I hit it pretty hard with the flame and did like a 5 second pull.

Maybe I just need to do it a few more times to figure it out.

When doing a big dose, do you think it is better to try and get it all in one pull? Or is it better to do 2 pulls?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no way for the DMT to not melt right? So in order for it to vaporize, it has to melt I think?
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It probably worked better with 10mg because what ever kind of sub standard screening you are using caught enough dmt to give you effects.
You can put 10 screens in there and you will still loose tons of dmt to leaking through. Do you have a copper scrubber wad in your gvg?
Your just loosing the spice that's all. Fix that and your good to go.
Read Gibran's thread on the gvg in smoking. it explains all this.
 
Heat up your copper mesh disc outside of your GVG and let spice melt into it. Then put your mesh back in your pipe and smoke. You will not loose any of it so be careful cos 45mg is a big dose in GVG if properly vaporized.

Oh yes and before you start clean up your pipe with alcohol or acetone. (this step is not compulsory lol )

good luck
 
behindthelight said:
I'm assuming that you just barely heat up the copper?
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yes heat up the copper disk and put spice on it it will melt right into it. Do not over do it it you do not want spice to vaporize that soon ;)


behindthelight said:
When you say "be careful", just curious as to why?
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because if you take too much and you are not ready for it, it may scare the hell out of you.

behindthelight said:
The higher doses just make the experience a lot stronger and more intense right? There is no physical risk of doing bigger doses though I believe, right?
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Clean spice will not harm you but if you take too much you will probably just blackout and wont remember anything. You have to find your dose and to get there you should first make sure you know how to vaporize your spice properly with lower doses. Then make you way up as you feel. It is better you get used to it first , then take too big dose, got scared and never try it again.

Some members here may tell you to just take a big one , take a plunge but I would strongly advise you not to do that. That is what I meant by saying "Be careful"
 
15-45mg is a monstrous leap in dosage, maybe drop it to 30mg for your next attempt.

Are you using a torch or a Bic lighter?
 
behindthelight said:
Ok got it. That makes sense.

The only thing I am worried about is setting the copper pad down on the table or whatever and heating it up a little and then putting the spice on it and then having some of the spice run to much and it gets wasted on the table. Has that ever happened to you.


Also, that is why I started small with like 10-15mg doses which worked perfectly. I had some cool little experiences with them. So I decided to take a jump up to 45mg. So I thought I had my technique down, but I guess not 100% yet.
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Dmt melts a very low temp. You dont have to get the mesh very hot. Just make sure it is dense enough to entangle all the melted spice. I hold the mesh between the blades of a pair of scissors. try that.
 
olympus mon said:
Dmt melts a very low temp. You dont have to get the mesh very hot. Just make sure it is dense enough to entangle all the melted spice. I hold the mesh between the blades of a pair of scissors. try that.
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Ok, I will hold it with some tweezers and give it a shot.
 
behindthelight said:
The only thing I am worried about is setting the copper pad down on the table or whatever and heating it up a little and then putting the spice on it and then having some of the spice run to much and it gets wasted on the table. Has that ever happened to you.
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No it never happened to me. What you can do is holding the mesh in the air with some tweezers or plies while heating it up. Then put it on something like glass or metal and put the spice on it to let it melt. The copper or steal mesh can take a lot of spice before it melts through it. It will not leak. Gibran2 made a test with copper mesh but I could not find it for you. I think it was something like 250mg of spice that copper mesh disk could hold without starting to leak. He actually did the test with water I think but it does not matter that much the point is it will not leak through as it would if you used just screens.

behindthelight said:
Also, that is why I started small with like 10-15mg doses which worked perfectly. I had some cool little experiences with them. So I decided to take a jump up to 45mg. So I thought I had my technique down, but I guess not 100% yet.
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This is quite a big jump from 15mg to 45mg. I would try 20-25mg if I was you. Really there is no where to rush.
 
Alright man. I will definitely give it a shot. Gotta make sure my copper pad is thick enough.

I'm gonna go with a 30mg dose and see if I can get that to work.
 
behindthelight said:
Alright man. I will definitely give it a shot. Gotta make sure my copper pad is thick enough.

I'm gonna go with a 30mg dose and see if I can get that to work.
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How did it go ?
 
I think I am starting to figure this out.... :)


I took a little bit deeper breath this time and boy did it work.....

I think I was breathing a little too soft/shallow in the previous attempts...


I felt like this was close to a breakthru....obviously hard to explain....got pretty scared there for a second...just amazing.....sounds crazy...but I felt like my heart was gonna stop or I was gonna die for a few seconds....
 
behindthelight said:
I think I am starting to figure this out.... :)


I took a little bit deeper breath this time and boy did it work.....

I think I was breathing a little too soft/shallow in the previous attempts...


I felt like this was close to a breakthru....obviously hard to explain....got pretty scared there for a second...just amazing.....sounds crazy...but I felt like my heart was gonna stop or I was gonna die for a few seconds....
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Sounds like you are now getting it right :)

The best is get it all in one inhalation. Start heating up the ceramic filter till it glows gets red then go away with torch but keep heating it don't turn of the lighter.

What I do is I start puling a bit air from the pipe but I still don't inhale just like with cigarette just to see vapor .Once I see the vapor going out of the mesh I start inhaling. I take it all in once nicely. Once I think its all out I put the torch closer to the filter just to make sure I vaporized it all.
 
Yes you need some air flow coming into the chamber or the heat wont get to the dmt until the ceramic is way too HOT! Then when you do inhale it will burn causing a really harsh nasty hit that you wont be able to hold in anyway.
A slow draw with the mouth to move the radiant heat through the copper mesh is needed to get the dmt vaporizing.

Be patient the gvg to me is tricky.
 
olympus mon said:
Yes you need some air flow coming into the chamber or the heat wont get to the dmt until the ceramic is way too HOT! Then when you do inhale it will burn causing a really harsh nasty hit that you wont be able to hold in anyway.
A slow draw with the mouth to move the radiant heat through the copper mesh is needed to get the dmt vaporizing.

Be patient the gvg to me is tricky.
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Yes, exactly. I've figured out that you just have to do it a bunch of times and eventually you will figure it out. I still don't have it down 100%, but I think I am getting close.
 
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