Spice STB/FASA Extraction Tek

[damiana]

EDIT: This tek was nice when SWIM first started, but just a few months later and the D-limo tek for mescaline came out, which works the same with spice, and oh so easy it is. And the yield is amazing, plus its all natural. If anyone is still trying this tek, let I suggest looking up the mescaline D-limo tek by 69ron, instead of mescaline use mimosa hostilis, and use fasw (fumaric acid saturated water) to salt out. Enjoy!



Okay this is for all who want to see some pics and get some info on a Tek that SWIM has recently done(where it is legal) and sent me info on it for scientific purposes. This Tek description will use terms that new members might need to research in order to best understand what is happening.

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* = correlates to image below

First SWIM made FASA(Fumaric Acid Saturated Acetone) SWIM was not sure of the exact ratio of the Fumaric Acid to Acetone but it sat for several days to soak up the Acid. Some Acid was floating on the bottom so SWIM added more Acetone until no more Acid particles where seen on the bottom of the mixture. SWIM doesn't have accurate measuring instruments because SWIM is cheap.

Anyway, once the the FASA was ready, and the pre-powdered MHRB(100herbgalaxy's) came in the mail SWIM proceeded with the Tek.

224 Grams of powder was eyeballed into two equal parts(around 112 grams each). One part was put in a freezer to be extracted later and will be used to compare any yield difference between the frozen and non-frozen powder. The non-frozen powdered was once again split into two equal parts(now ~56 grams each).

These two MHRB parts where placed into two separate HDPE, somewhat wide-mouthed, bottles(next time SWIM says he will put basic water into bottles first and then add powder to basic water, not other way around). In a separate mason jar SWIM mixed an unknown amount of lye into ~25 ounces of water(SWIM didn't measure) until he got a ph of ~14.

*This first picture is of the lye used, next to some unused and left over basic water(the mason jar was ~7/8ths full of basic water before SWIM poured it into the HDPE bottles with powder in them).

*The second image is of the pre-powdered MHRB that SWIM used.

*The third image is one of the HDPE bottles mixed with basic water(ph~14) and powder. Both bottles where shaken to get the powdered mixed up which caused some emulsions to form.

*So the next images are of the emulsions.

The emulsions where taken care of by adding lye directly to the emulsions and shaking(not so violently this time) until the emulsions went down. The bottles where left to soak for ~2 hours and then brought to a kitchen to proceed in the extraction.

*Xylene is used as the NPS(non-polar solvent).

*Xylene was poured into a mason jar, cap was loosely screwed on(so it doesn't explode when being heated up) and the jar was then placed in hot water(~150 F).

*When the xylene was hot it was funneled into the HDPE bottles.

*After shaking and mixing end over end for ~10 minutes, the mixture was left to separate. The top xylene layer was siphoned off and placed in separate mason jar.

*This separate jar has both of the first pulls from the two bottles in it. Here it sits next to the FASA solvent(which is on the right).

*FASA was then added drop wise to xylene.

*As one can see some dirty looking basic water got into the xylene but its very minimal and nothing a Acetone wash couldn't fix.

So far this is how far SWIM has gotten. The cloudy xylene apparently is now sitting for a few hours(wasn't shaken(not on purpose at least)) and images along with the tek-nique will be updated as SWIM sends me more scientific information.

Hope this helps feed your minds with new or at least intriguing info. Results of yield to be posted soon.

Peace and Love,

damiana

 

[damiana]

Okay now, SWIM has told me that both the FASA/Xylene mixtures sat for ~7 hours and the first pull was clear but had no crystals and the second was a little cloudy and had some nice ones but they still weren't done forming. Then SWIM realized that he did not add enough FASA.

So he became impatient and after adding more FASA SWIM shook the hell out of the jars and made a tornado out of the mixture.

Then the crystals came out in less then a half hour and got all stuck to the jar. So SWIM scraped the jar with the handle of a metal spoon, so he tells me, while the mixture was still in the jar.

This way the crystal came lose(still moist) and SWIM shook again, and strained through a coffee filter paper(SWIM says he may just let it settle next time and decant since he thinks fumaric acid was getting filtered out also).

SWIM let the coffee filter dry and scrapped off what would appear to be at least ~150mg of DMT-Fumarate from each jar.

After letting the yellow sticky stuff dry, SWIM chopped it up and put it in a new jar for cleaning.

SWIM added Acetone to the DMT-Fumarate, mixed, let DMT-Fumarate settle and then decanted. This was repeated one more time and the final product looks to be ~300mg(*Imaged in the last two pictures). But SWIM is not sure since he has no scale.

This was only two pulls from 112grams of MHRB(Two 56 gram bottles had two pulls each). SWIM knows there is still a ton left in the basic water solution so he will add the final yield when that's completed, in a week or more.

Hope this helps.

P.S. SWIM wanted me to ask if anyone could estimate the amount of DMT-Funarate that is sitting next to the metal spoon in his picture. I told him people usually don't know from pictures but he said to ask anyway.

Peace and Love

damiana

 

[tolu]

Excellent post, thanks for that.

 

[damiana]

Apparently SWIM took half his DMT-Fumarate(100mg), added an equal amount of sodium carbonate to it, mixed in a little bit of water(to make a paste) and let them completely react.

The paste was then placed onto paper to soak up the water and speed up drying. SWIM said he left it a little to long on the paper and it kinda got stuck, but he eventually retrieved it(won't let it sit very long on paper next time he says) and it was dry in no time.

(It must be dry before next step). Then SWIM added Acetone to the now dry Freebase DMT, shook it up and let it sit.

SWIM decanted the Acetone from the Freebase DMT and five more times placed fresh Acetone into the Freebase DMT. Here the Acetone is taking all the DMT, Jungle Spice and other goodies while leaving behind unwanted acid stuff.

The six Acetone pulls where then placed in a Pyrex dish and allowed to evap.

Now SWIM has ~75mg of Freebase DMT and is going to smoke 20mg later tonight. He will tell me how it went and I shall update the viewers.

Peace, Love and Harmony on planet Earth.

damiana, sorry no pics this time.

 

[damiana]

The 20mg's was moderately strong considering, much stronger then the same amount of DMT that SWIM says he's had in the past. It is definitely Jungle Spice DMT.

Also SWIM tells me after drinking Syrian Rue tea(MAOI) and waiting 45min he put 65mg of DMT-Fumarate under his tongue for 30mins and says that the trip was moderate, no visuals but definitely a DMT experience. @@(SWIM later found out that the Syrian rue tea was poorly ground up and that is why it was only moderate, if done correctly 65mg DMT-Fumarate can be a very strong sublingual experience)

He says he loved it, a perfect moderate dose where he could still function easily but was definitely tripping.

It was a very gradual increase over a 1 hour period, a peak for 30 mins(time dilated, not sure exactly how long the peak lasted) and a come down of around 1 hour.

Next time he says he will do 100mg DMT-Fumarate = ~75mg Freebase DMT. This he says will be a strong dose for him, like ayahuasca. @@(100mg SWIM now knows is to much when done sublingually with Syrian rue tea in stomach.)

Peace and Love,

damiana

P.S. SWIM got another ~500mg now totaling up to ~800mg from ~4 pulls on 112 grams of MHRB. pics to be updated soon. @@(yields where actually higher then this, multiply by 1.5 to get accurate yield amounts.)

 

[damiana]

Well, now some pictures for your viewing pleasure. The DMT-Fumarate pics above looks like grainy sand because SWIM shook the hell out of the xylene/FASA mixture to precipitate it out. But on SWIM's 3rd and 4th pull he let the mixture sit overnight and got some really nice crystals and took some pics to send to me. Here they are, enjoy. The last two pictures are of the cleaned DMT-Fumarate estimated to be ~500mg.

damiana

 

[damiana]

SWIM tells me he placed ~75mg of DMT-Fumarate = ~57mg of Freebase DMT into is mouth(mixed with water like a tincture) for ~27mins after drinking Syrian Rue tea and immediately after swallowing he smoked a spliffy and had a rather strong trip. He said he got very light headed and dehydrated(now he will always carry much water with him on his trips he tells me). But over all it was very spiritual, easy riding and blissful, he loved it.

He cautions other people to start with small doses and also that MAOI's can interact with foods and drugs so people should look that info up before dosing.

He tells me that in two days time he is going to try mixing pure Harmaline with DMT-Fumarate(in a water tincture) and put both in his mouth to see if he trips. This way he could make DMT tabs without having to use a tea beforehand. He will tell me how that goes soon so all can know here on this forum.

Also he is going to carefully try DMSO and DMT-Fumarate subligually and get back to me, although he says it will be a while till be gets his hands on DMSO.

Then he will experiment with DMSO, MAOI's, tabs, tinctures and DMT in different combination to get the perfect sublingual trip. He says this way he could create a trip very similar to ayahuasca but not as long and bad tasting(ayahuasca tea taste bad according to him), and also will have little to no stomach nausea.

He knows oral dosing could induce similar effects to ayahuasca but that method uses lots of DMT while sublingual DMT requires much less and is therefore more efficient in his mind. Also sublingual usages takes effect much more quickly, but still is gradual and not scary like smoking DMT.

SWIM thinks smoking DMT is a powerfully personal activity while sublingual DMT can be(but is not necessarily) a more social activity since it induces a much more gradual and less intense tripping experience.

Breathing and being here now,

damiana

 

[Infundibulum]

Yup. SWIM tells that that's how it is supposed to look like.

 

[extrememetal43]

so you definately believe that what salts out of the xylene pulls is not pure dmt but a mixture with jungle spice alkaloids?

 

[Faust]

so you definately believe that what salts out of the xylene pulls is not pure dmt but a mixture with jungle spice alkaloids?

Getting the most or all of the alkaloids of the experience seems to be goal for the TS. Make sure to get Food Grade DMSO Gel, if it hasn't been bought already.

Status report on ongoing trips?

 

[damiana]

Food Grade DMSO Gel? I don't think SWIM wants gel, he wants a liquid to make a tincture. Faust, do you have any experience with this gel? Is there a reason you suggest it other then it being food grade, cause the DMSO that is sold online is label not for human consumption but that's just like the law or something, since it is pure enough for that. So I've heard, thanks.

Well anyway SWIM tells me he tried the DMT-Fumarate mixed with 90%-95% pure harmaline. The first run was done with ~50mg DMT ~14mg harmaline, little effects occurred when held under tongue for 30mins but not worth it in his mind. Then SWIM tried a 1 to 1 ratio of ~50mg DMT to ~50mg harmaline thinking he didn't use enough MAOI the first time. This too had little effects and so SWIM concluded from his experiments that an MAOI must be already present in the blood stream for sublingual DMT to work effectively.

Therefore SWIM will try two other ideas for eliminating the need to drink MAOI tea before dosing sublingually.

1. DMT-Fumarate/DMSO/pure harmaline tincture to be used sublingually-- this essentially might allow the MAOI to absorb more quickly and help to break down the DMT more effectively, but may not work very well since maybe the MAOI might need to be already present for the DMT to work sublingually.

2. Simply put pure harmaline into a gel capsule and swallow. Then an hour or more later take DMT sublingually. SWIM's only question here is how much of the pure harmaline is needed orally for a DMT sublingual trip? If either of us find out I will let others know here. @@(SWIM found out it is roughly ~100mg, maybe less maybe more).

damiana

 

[damiana]

Hey Infundibulum, since this essentially is a tek that you or SWIY created, I was wondering something. Since lye is used, and so is sodium carbonate, I have two questions about this.

1. When the DMT-Fumarate is about to be washed with acetone, is it possible some lye residue is in the DMT before washing and would the acetone get that out if so? I am guessing no lye residue is present here, just wondering your opinion.

2. When turning DMT-Fumarate into Freebase DMT, using sodium carbonate, is it possible some of the sodium carbonate may end up in the final freebase product? I ask this because when the Freebase DMT is smoked, according to SWIM, it tends to burn the mouth similar to DMT that had residue lye in it. Could that be the sodium carbonate or is it simply DMT.

damiana

 

[Cy]

I have a quick question:
I forgot to use acetone to clean the DMT-Fumerate + Fumeric acid after letting my Xylene + x'tal mush evaporate. I went ahead and mixed 1/1 ratios of sodium carbonate and x'tals with minimal ammounts of water, then evaporated, then added acetone, then drew off the non-particulated acetone and let it evaporate. The results were much less than expected.

Could my failure to clean the product cause poor solubility into acetone?

 

[damiana]

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No I don't think that would be it, the acetone clean simply helps get the extra fumaric acid out and the xylene residue.

I'm guessing from what you said, you simply need to add acetone to the DMT-fumarate/sodium carbonate mixture more then one time, 4-5 is best. That way you get all the DMT out. Did you only do it once, cause that would be why.

damiana

 

[Cy]

Thanks, how much of the DMT-Fumerate mixture will end up as DMT? what is a ratio to keep in mind? 1/3?

 

[damiana]

1.3*Freebase weight=Fumarate weight while Fumarate weight/1.3=Freebase weight. This is just a little rough but very close. i.e. 20mg freebase = 26mg Fumarate.

 

[Cy]

hm, hardly anything dissolves into the acetone. It gets real cloudy, then settles. I'll keep repeating this, and eventually post results. My goal is to use each of the main teks with 50g MHRB and compare yields.

 

[damiana]

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yeah when SWIM adds acetone to it, too he see that it barely dissolves, after shaking a while it is cloudy and settles. SWIM is not actually sure if the very fine cloudy stuff is DMT or not, maybe decanting the clear stuff and evaporating would leave nothing since SWIM only decanted the very fine cloudy acetone and got DMT, but it could have some sodium carbonate in it still. One day SWIM will find out.

Well this tek is best for people who want DMT-Fumarate easily and essentially allows one to know when the bark has been drained of all or most of its DMT, since the xylene won't cloud when added with FASA. It may take 7 or more pulls but as long as the FASA is made correctly one will know when the xylene isn't pulling anymore DMT.

It would be great if you used the same bark with different teks to see which is easiest and most efficient. If you ever do figure that information out a post for it would be fantastic. Good luck!

damiana

 

[Infundibulum]

Hey Infundibulum, since this essentially is a tek that you or SWIY created, I was wondering something. Since lye is used, and so is sodium carbonate, I have two questions about this.

1. When the DMT-Fumarate is about to be washed with acetone, is it possible some lye residue is in the DMT before washing and would the acetone get that out if so? I am guessing no lye residue is present here, just wondering your opinion.

2. When turning DMT-Fumarate into Freebase DMT, using sodium carbonate, is it possible some of the sodium carbonate may end up in the final freebase product? I ask this because when the Freebase DMT is smoked, according to SWIM, it tends to burn the mouth similar to DMT that had residue lye in it. Could that be the sodium carbonate or is it simply DMT.

damiana

1. No. lye is not soluble in neither xylene or acetone. It could contaminate dmt-fumarate by other means (i.e. lousy layer separation). Should that be the case, lye contamination in dmt fumarate is not a problem. Ingesting even 10mg of lye won't do you much bad. Snorting however dmt fumarate contaminated with lye sounds like something one would regret pretty quickly.

2. No, sodium carbonate is not soluble in acetone.

 

[Cy]

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yeah when SWIM adds acetone to it, too he see that it barely dissolves, after shaking a while it is cloudy and settles. SWIM is not actually sure if the very fine cloudy stuff is DMT or not, maybe decanting the clear stuff and evaporating would leave nothing since SWIM only decanted the very fine cloudy acetone and got DMT, but it could have some sodium carbonate in it still. One day SWIM will find out.

Well this tek is best for people who want DMT-Fumarate easily and essentially allows one to know when the bark has been drained of all or most of its DMT, since the xylene won't cloud when added with FASA. It may take 7 or more pulls but as long as the FASA is made correctly one will know when the xylene isn't pulling anymore DMT.

It would be great if you used the same bark with different teks to see which is easiest and most efficient. If you ever do figure that information out a post for it would be fantastic. Good luck!

damiana

I just did the test, the clear acetone definitely still contains DMT, in fact, the particulate is insollulable in acetone, so its probably just very fine NaCo3.