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Pardon my intrusion into this intriguing conversation, but I feel that some experiences human beings have cannot be aptly put into the objective construct of the human language. After all, epiphanies are subjective, as is reality.

I honestly don't sense that joedirt is intentionally being diffusive or mysterious. On the contrary and IMO, by not speaking of this spiritual communion as if it were a logical ideology or scientific formula, I suspect he is expressing volumes about HOW one gains insight into such realms of Omniscient being (but I wouldn't dare feel I properly interpret his statements, as I respect him far too much).

And we can only access rationale enough to process through our usual mentality and cognitive functions, when our mind is back into it's routine conditioning and the realm of the known. Reason is a vital part of forming our world view and coalescing our ideas about the material multiverse... but one must use the appropriate region of specificity, within the brain, to perceive the Insubstantial Essence. Sound like a reasonable hypothesis?

We can describe our impressions of certain aspects of our spiritual insights and resulting cosmology, but when one goes into immersion with the Spirit... there is no conceptual formatting, no definitive quantification, no pragmatic analysis. The mind stops and awareness blossoms exponentially. Or as gibran2 so beautifully says, it "blooms".

I am personally, frequently caught in the age-old, catch 22 of attempting to REMEMBER just what such an expanded state of being is like, when I am once more compressed into my ordinary mode of thinking. Frankly, I don't currently feel compressed but from THAT state of mind expansion, I certainly am.

So, other than presenting conceptual shadows of this transcendental level of awareness, how does one encapsulate the infinite nature of the Divine into a rational philosophy? All attempts are mere echoes and reflections of the immediacy of the spiritual immersion.

We can witness it within ourselves, merge into it depth, become shattered by it's immeasurable power... but we cannot turn it into a logical equation, which can be understood by any other beings. Unless of course, they have likewise been in the fulcrum of such an eclipsing. Then it does becomes so obvious and self-evident in all we hold as most Sacred and intuitively FEEL all around us, in the natural balance of things. :idea:

<blockquote data-quote="Rising Spirit" data-source="post: 3326250" data-attributes="member: 4216">Pardon my intrusion into this intriguing conversation, but I feel that some experiences human beings have cannot be aptly put into the objective construct of the human language.&nbsp; After all, epiphanies are subjective, as is reality.&nbsp; I honestly don&#039;t sense that joedirt is intentionally being diffusive or mysterious.&nbsp; On the contrary and IMO, by not speaking of this spiritual communion as if it were a logical ideology or scientific formula, I suspect he is expressing volumes about HOW one gains insight into such realms of Omniscient being (but I wouldn&#039;t dare feel I properly interpret his statements, as I respect him far too much).&nbsp; And we can only access rationale enough to process through our usual mentality and cognitive functions, when our mind is back into it&#039;s routine conditioning and the realm of the known.&nbsp; Reason is a vital part of forming our world view and coalescing our ideas about the material multiverse...&nbsp; but one must use the appropriate region of specificity, within the brain, to perceive the Insubstantial Essence.&nbsp; Sound like a reasonable hypothesis? &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; We can describe our impressions of certain aspects of our spiritual insights and resulting cosmology, but when one goes into immersion with the Spirit...&nbsp; there is no conceptual formatting, no definitive quantification, no pragmatic analysis.&nbsp; The mind stops and awareness blossoms exponentially.&nbsp; Or as gibran2 so beautifully says, it &quot;blooms&quot;.&nbsp; I am personally, frequently caught in the age-old, catch 22 of attempting to REMEMBER just what such an expanded state of being is like, when I am once more compressed into my ordinary mode of thinking.&nbsp; Frankly, I don&#039;t currently feel compressed but from THAT state of mind expansion, I certainly am.&nbsp; <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😉" title="Winking face&nbsp; &nbsp; :wink:" src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/nexus/unicode/64/1f609.png" data-shortname=":wink:" /> So, other than presenting conceptual shadows of this transcendental level of awareness, how does one encapsulate the infinite nature of the Divine into a rational philosophy?&nbsp; All attempts are mere echoes and reflections of the immediacy of the spiritual immersion.&nbsp; We can witness it within ourselves, merge into it depth, become shattered by it&#039;s immeasurable power...&nbsp; but we cannot turn it into a logical equation, which can be understood by any other beings.&nbsp; Unless of course, they have likewise been in the fulcrum of such an eclipsing.&nbsp; Then it does becomes so obvious and self-evident in all we hold as most Sacred and intuitively FEEL all around us, in the natural balance of things.&nbsp; :idea:</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rising Spirit, post: 3326250, member: 4216"] Pardon my intrusion into this intriguing conversation, but I feel that some experiences human beings have cannot be aptly put into the objective construct of the human language. After all, epiphanies are subjective, as is reality. I honestly don't sense that [b]joedirt[/b] is intentionally being diffusive or mysterious. On the contrary and IMO, by not speaking of this spiritual communion as if it were a logical ideology or scientific formula, I suspect he is expressing volumes about HOW one gains insight into such realms of Omniscient being (but I wouldn't dare feel I properly interpret his statements, as I respect him far too much). And we can only access rationale enough to process through our usual mentality and cognitive functions, when our mind is back into it's routine conditioning and the realm of the known. Reason is a vital part of forming our world view and coalescing our ideas about the material multiverse... but one must use the appropriate region of specificity, within the brain, to perceive the Insubstantial Essence. Sound like a reasonable hypothesis? We can describe our impressions of certain aspects of our spiritual insights and resulting cosmology, but when one goes into immersion with the Spirit... there is no conceptual formatting, no definitive quantification, no pragmatic analysis. The mind stops and awareness blossoms exponentially. Or as [b]gibran2[/b] so beautifully says, it "blooms". I am personally, frequently caught in the age-old, catch 22 of attempting to REMEMBER just what such an expanded state of being is like, when I am once more compressed into my ordinary mode of thinking. Frankly, I don't currently feel compressed but from THAT state of mind expansion, I certainly am. 😉 So, other than presenting conceptual shadows of this transcendental level of awareness, how does one encapsulate the infinite nature of the Divine into a rational philosophy? All attempts are mere echoes and reflections of the immediacy of the spiritual immersion. We can witness it within ourselves, merge into it depth, become shattered by it's immeasurable power... but we cannot turn it into a logical equation, which can be understood by any other beings. Unless of course, they have likewise been in the fulcrum of such an eclipsing. Then it does becomes so obvious and self-evident in all we hold as most Sacred and intuitively FEEL all around us, in the natural balance of things. :idea: [/QUOTE]