stay away message ?

[goddard]

after a few weeks i finally got the balls again to smoke some spice.

i have a simple hash pipe i used before and i knew there was still more then enough in it
so i lay on my bed some progressive trip music on and took one big hit..

i decided i wanted to get back in the game slowly after my scared shitless experience last time .

the moment after i exhale i was like hmm oh shit im back here again closed my eyes the visuals were week but the idea of these entities scanning me was there but it felt dark again ominous and got the idea like back away dude dont come back fuk off ...

i had some great feeling trips in the fractal world with some jesters and a woman in the background but the last few times its always like this..

is it because of the low dosage or my fear going in

or should i just back off and listen to the message ?

i dont know , i always do this by myself to so maybe i should try find someone who will sit with me

its so hard to remember i am on a dmt trip it makes me belief that i fuked up i died and now im in this other weird dimension trapped or something

shit im not sure if i even want to break trough anymore ...but i really do ..i think ..

im confused

 

[MasonJarBong]

I am hesitant to say whether you should take a longer break or not. I can see it both ways. Obviously you are getting into a place you find unpleasant. Yes, it's possible that your bad experience has at least temporarily tainted your journeys. However, is it possible that something in your set or setting is causing this? Perhaps you are carrying some anxiety into the trip and that is painting your trips in darker brushstrokes. It is also possible that (as you said) tripping alone is increasing your anxiety.

Perhaps you should incorporate relaxation techniques into your pre-trip preparations. Don't do it as an afterthought. Create a small ceremony for yourself. It can be helpful mentally even if you feel slightly silly doing so. Be deliberate and be mindful. Pay attention to how you feel. If you are too tense or anxious, try some meditation. It may also be helpful to switch up your music or even trip in silence.

I hope you are able to work through this. Your desire seems earnest. Good luck.

 

[Ulim]

Its on you.

For me even in the best set and setting I can get I got a very bad trip even though I had a very good trip minutes before.

A combination of things can ruin a trip.

Make sure you always remember yourself that you are what you are and there can be nor harm done to you! Just like in a nightmare things arent real.
Its not the low dose its your fear.

 

[Jees]

It's not unique, it happens.

Mind that set/setting is not solely around the time frame of the event itself, because embedded setting factors are part of your current life style as a whole and not easily smudged away or singing AUM for 10 minutes. Just like a night dream that can pick up stuff that happened yesterday or longer ago, and project itself in the dream. Deeper desires or fears, conscious or not, are favorites for such.

In issues like this I like to think of Nick Sand, the father of vaped spice once said:
...I have taken DMT thousands of times. I never had two trips
that were the same. Mostly I had good trips—only a few were
unpleasant. But I figured out why; it was always a mistake in
preparation, set, or setting...
Of course everyone is different but it's hard to neglect such an authority/expertise in the matter.

If I were you, I would reconsider set/setting as already said to maximize your chances, while you won't get guarantee.

Then I would also wait for the "being called" if you know what that means. You said that you waited for "having the balls" and that is okay but that is only on your part. The 'being called' is from another part towards you (at least it feels that way). Then this is still no guarantee but each time you maximize your chances more. What more can you do?

Harmalas can mediate the experience. You can ingest some in advance, wait for it to maoi a bit and then vape. Or changa.

 

[IntoTheVoid]

Ive had similar experiences myself. Drab visuals, dark in color or in general, and a feeling of not being wanted there. This was at a time where I was smoking DMT by myself. One bad trip tainted my future trips for some time. The preflight worries and jitters would also devistate my experience and make me hesitate on vaping a good dose all after my first bad trip.

I put the spice down for a few months and I really didn't want to. Recently I have started extracting again and revisited hyperspace with great results. There has been one rough trip but I am sure it was due to not getting enough spice in the bowl. I found for me that not enough vaped spice in a session can make for an edgy trip. I also trip with a really close friend now, taking turns and this helped immensely. I think it's the notion of me knowing they are there and watching my experience and I have someone there to report to and share with immediately after. I also take a quick 5min breathing and mind clearing session before I smoke. And I always have some music playing with no words. I tried one time without my friend there and it was dull and pointless for me.

So in short, my trips have turned completely around for the better by:
1 having a friend or like minded tripper with me
2 the right music
3 the right lighting
4 clear the mind and breath techniques
5 smoke enough spice
6 never expect anything before smoking and never fight it

I'm still trying to get over the preflight jitters. I seem to always have them but once I come back I am almost always tearing up with joy , excitement and wonder at what I just experienced. I chalk the jitters up as not knowing the unknown... Not knowing what awaits for me but I'm learning that it is just part of the experience.

 

[○]

Jees said it pretty well.

Don't worry about it so much. The experience will always be there, it's going nowhere. Do what 'you' feel is the thing to do. Maybe change up some of the factors leading up to smoking? What do you feel you should do from this point?

Also, for vaping DMT, ime its a much quicker shuttling to the OtherSide [typically with minimal fuss] if you attempt to vaporize the dose in one complete hit, or maybe a take a small toke to get things moving along then go for broke on the second hit with every bit of breath you have, clearing the entire dose. With vaping DMT freebase ime if you learn to take the entire dose you loaded in one hit it's typically a sure-fire way to get to where you wanna go.

Words of caution - if you ever choose to take the entire dosage in one hit - it can be a 'very' different experience, relative to taking multiple hits [2-4 hits]. Sure, it will most likely put you there without much hesitation, but at the expense of the sheer profundity and power to make Itself known.

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

Good post jees.


Misc. Quotations relating to the matter:

Sometimes poor tactic can lead to you becoming "locked out"

You know, Christ said “the lukewarm I vomit from my mouth;” and, that’s how I feel about people who chip away at psychedelics and take piss-ant amounts, and go to clubs, and go to class, and go to the mall, and, you know, this is not the program, folks. I mean, it’s somebody’s program, but I’m interested in life-changing experiences, and the wonderful thing about psychedelics is that, as drugs, they are the safest drugs known to pharmacology
-terence McKenna

Or it could just be the mystery of the compound, doing what it wants rather than what you want it too...

More misc. Quotations:

The world of DMT is incredibly vast. What DMT opens in us is so profound that it is impossible to truly express. I have been making, using, and initiating people into DMT use, for around 40 years. I was the one who first discovered that the free-base could be smoked. It has never ceased to amaze me, nor have I ever felt that one could fairly arrive at any hard and fast conclusions about what was happening during a DMT trip -Nick sand

Moving Into the Sacred World of DMT, by Nick Sand - Psychedelic Frontier

"Moving Into the Sacred World of DMT," by one of the most prolific underground chemists in history, is essential reading for anyone interested in DMT.

psychedelicfrontier.com

Any attempts to begin to describe the DMT experience is fraught with the immediate dangers of either over-simplification or a swift flight into metaphor since it is almost impossible to describe with words alone the fantastic swirling multi-faceted gateway visions that are only the beginning of the DMT experience. Intrepid travelers report that past these jeweled-gates can be found mechanical-Elves, Aliens, Egyptian Gods, temples, pyramids, and palaces of pulsating light, and some would say, the entire possible population of the Collective Unconsciousness. A magical place where the totality of phenomenal existence can be experienced in an often terrifying transpersonal flash.

* No two DMT experiences are alike, and no two people should expect any similarity in their individual experiences. (Unless, in one of the many mysteries of the DMT zone, two experiences are indeed shared as One!) It is commonly said that DMT causes far many more questions than it does answers; for it is a flowerbed for all the mystery in the Universe. Mystery is an increasingly difficult thing to find in our Fact-or-Fiction society but the on-going mapping of this tryptamine accessed Inter-Zone may ultimately lead to the birth of powerful new spiritual metaphors for Mankind, and a new Mythology great enough to both resonate within us and encompass the incredible Universe we all occupy. So in this section, you will find collated here a number of DMT accounts as recounted by different psychonauts over the last 40 years, each one mapping out a small piece of this mysterious 8th continent of the Mind.

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[3rdI]

you turn up to the rave and the men on the door wont let you in, disaster, they are mean and kind of scary, you decide on a reasoned approach, but after you try to talk your way in they ruff you up and toss you into the gutter, you have two options,

1, sigh, drop your head, turn around and admit defeat, walking away with fear and embaressment in your heart.

2, take a step back, asses the situation, look the bouncers in the eyes with a wicked glint in yours, and then proceed to charge the door, somersault over the bouncers, smash through the door and proceed to dissolve into a mass of bodies, lights, lasers and glorious hardcore.

there is only 1 option really.

stay strong, up the dose, toke deep and strive for glory:twisted:.

nothing worth having comes easy

 

[○]

you turn up to the rave and the men on the door wont let you in, disaster, they are mean and kind of scary, you decide on a reasoned approach, but after you try to talk your way in they ruff you up and toss you into the gutter, you have two options,

1, sigh, drop your head, turn around and admit defeat, walking away with fear and embaressment in your heart.

2, take a step back, asses the situation, look the bouncers in the eyes with a wicked glint in yours, and then proceed to charge the door, somersault over the bouncers, smash through the door and proceed to dissolve into a mass of bodies, lights, lasers and glorious hardcore.

there is only 1 option really.

stay strong, up the dose, toke deep and strive for glory:twisted:.

nothing worth having comes easy

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

you turn up to the rave and the men on the door wont let you in, disaster, they are mean and kind of scary, you decide on a reasoned approach, but after you try to talk your way in they ruff you up and toss you into the gutter, you have two options,

1, sigh, drop your head, turn around and admit defeat, walking away with fear and embaressment in your heart.

2, take a step back, asses the situation, look the bouncers in the eyes with a wicked glint in yours, and then proceed to charge the door, somersault over the bouncers, smash through the door and proceed to dissolve into a mass of bodies, lights, lasers and glorious hardcore.

there is only 1 option really.

stay strong, up the dose, toke deep and strive for glory:twisted:.

nothing worth having comes easy

I like the metaphor, it would not really be my style of handling things, but I like the metaphor, I think "staying strong", perseverance, and "working for you goals" are all great concepts.

...And I agree, that most things don't come easy, (even though in my case everything just seems to fall into my hands whenever I need it) and that you should never be afraid to have to work for something, but if you are encountering an issue, I've found that rather than trying to just "brute force" it, and defiantly bypass your obstruction, that it is often more effective to use you mind, and find a way to "out-smart" it.

Just be careful, and be safe, and remember that psychedelics rarely have concern for your intentions with them...


------


...sorcerers and wizards would warn that you always must keep your wits about yourself when entering deep magic or when challenging obstructive intelligences, and I have found it to be an amazing metaphor for the psychedelic traveler when entering hyperspace, below McKenna briefly articulates similar notions:

It is no great accomplishment to hear a voice in the head. The accomplishment is to make sure it is telling the truth, because the demons are of many kinds: "Some are made of ions, some of mind; the ones of ketamine, you'll find, stutter often and are blind." The reaction to these voices is not to kneel in genuflection before a god, because then one will be like Dorothy in her first encounter with Oz. There is no dignity in the universe unless we meet these things on our feet, and that means having an I/Thou relationship. One say to the Other: "You say you are omniscient, omnipresent, or you say you are from Zeta Reticuli. You're long on talk, but what can you show me?" Magicians, people who invoke these things, have always understood that one must go into such encounters with one's wits about oneself.
-terence McKenna

-eg

 

[Jees]

I love the way you describe that 3rdI.
Does it have a 100% success rate for you?

I've experienced once a failed such approach, uh oh that was not nice :lol:
I did learn from that, maybe the acutest lesson of my life, but the price was very high to pay.

My former Nick Sand quote can be extended to consult further his approach:

...I began to investigate and plan
how to best use this divine sacrament to find my place in the
Grand Design. The best trips always seemed to come when I
was in the best place. If I had used Cannabis, alcohol, or
amphetamine in the day preceding a DMT journey, I usually
had the more unpleasant type of trip. Once after an intramuscular
injection of 60 mg of DMT, following a bit of
Cannabis use, overeating junk food, and an inappropriate setting,
I had a stressful period building up to the trip’s peak.
It put me right into a field of pretty cartoon flowers, with
little faces waving their petals and leaves in unison, singing
together, “You know that this is not the way to use DMT.” I
looked up and saw the monolith from 2001 hovering above
me, massive and dark; then instantly it came crashing down
on me again and again, beating me down and spasming my
whole body with cramps. I crawled to the toilet to puke huge
amounts of vomit. The toilet bowl was crawling with mysterious
interlocking hieroglyphs that seemed to be the keys to
the universe. This was a clear message to enter into the DMT
space with my system clean and no hectic social scene going
on around me.
Another time I had been travelling in México, and wound
up on a deserted beach in Zihuatanejo, leaning against a huge
rock. I was tired, and I had just had a fight with my wife. I
went for a walk and sat down against this rock at the end of
the beach to smoke some DMT. It was a dark night, and a
distant street light cast a wan light over the sand, as soft
sounds of the jungle surrounded me. I lit up my DMT pipe
and took 3 or 4 tokes. Suddenly, I shot upwards and was at
an upscale cocktail party. The colors were rich and
enchantingly beautiful. The men were very big and handsome,
dressed in well-cut suits. The women were gorgeous
in gowns and cocktail dresses. They were gathered in groups
of 4 or 5, discussing very arcane, deep, and interesting topics.
I couldn’t quite hear and my head barely reached up to
their shoulders. I felt like a juvenile trying to crash an adult
party. I was standing on my tip-toes, looking into one of these
groups, trying to hear, when an intelligent-looking large
fellow in a light grey suit turned to look at me. He regarded
me with a benign expression of friendly sympathy and said,
“You know you are too tired to be here.” With a wave of his
hand, he threw a lightning bolt at my feet. There was a flash
of light, an explosion under me, and I was falling into a black
void at whose depth I settled slowly, finding myself seated
cross-legged on the beach with the pipe in my hands. I was
clear. I was completely unintoxicated, as though I had not
smoked any DMT. I understood one of the many lessons that
these guardians were to teach me over the years about the
proper and most enlightened way to use the sacrament. Who
are these creatures? Where do they come from? I don’t know,
but I have my ideas...

 

[jma182]

the moment after i exhale i was like hmm oh shit im back here again closed my eyes the visuals were week but the idea of these entities scanning me was there but it felt dark again ominous and got the idea like back away dude dont come back fuk off ...

Hello!

I've been there seen really dark threatening visuals if I'm in darkness, with the lights on the entities are lighter in nature, I think your set and setting were not entirely adequate, i've never felt unwanted as such it just felt that i went places that were not meant to be seen at the time.

is it because of the low dosage or my fear going in

or should i just back off and listen to the message ?

seems to me that you're wary of the unknown maybe there's more to integrate before delving in the realm of DMT, but only you can truly answer that question. maybe some preparation prior to the experience might help, a friend of mine likes to medidate a couple of hours before tripping.

i dont know , i always do this by myself to so maybe i should try find someone who will sit with me

its so hard to remember i am on a dmt trip it makes me belief that i fuked up i died and now im in this other weird dimension trapped or something

shit im not sure if i even want to break trough anymore ...but i really do ..i think ..

im confused

getting a close friend, someone you can really trust to trip sit might help with the anxiety, also try with relaxing music, Emancipator is very nice for tripping.

As a short anecdote, the few times one of my friends tried to trip by himself he never got as far as he got with a sitter, even if I'm in the same house but not in the same room he gets a bit freaked out, he has more pleasant experiences when people are around, IE he saw me turn into a picasso type picture in reality as he felt his body melt into little pieces, he says being alone and in the dark causes him feels much more anxious during the experience.

hope this post helps!

 

[hug46]

you turn up to the rave and the men on the door wont let you in, disaster, they are mean and kind of scary, you decide on a reasoned approach, but after you try to talk your way in they ruff you up and toss you into the gutter, you have two options,

1, sigh, drop your head, turn around and admit defeat, walking away with fear and embaressment in your heart.

2, take a step back, asses the situation, look the bouncers in the eyes with a wicked glint in yours, and then proceed to charge the door, somersault over the bouncers, smash through the door and proceed to dissolve into a mass of bodies, lights, lasers and glorious hardcore.

there is only 1 option really.

stay strong, up the dose, toke deep and strive for glory:twisted:.

nothing worth having comes easy

I'd have gone round the back and through the toilet window.

 

[cyb]

I'd have gone round the back and through the toilet window.

Ha...I can always count on you to make me laugh and on a hot rainy morning in Nha Trang.
Thanks Hug

(Choc full of Strange Entities here)

 

[IntoTheVoid]

I just had a session again tonight. My friend I mentioned earlier is my younger brother. I went through my ritual of breathing and starting some music. After the third toke my world became a flawless plastic bright colored world but I was still in the same room. No real designs or overwhelming feeling. No real come up or come down for that matter. Just kind of weird.

My brothers turn and he explained that he was here then just arrived in front of a huge bright palace or castle. He could hear people clapping and excited he was there. This lasted about 5mins from my watch and he all of a sudden was back to himself. No real visuals, come up or come down.

We talked about our trip and decided to go again. And again we both had the same trip. We decided to go have a cig and integrate what happened. It was then we de decided one more go.

This time no music and I tell ya I don't remember letting out the third hit. The room shuttered and vibrated, I could feel myself fighting it so I leaned back, closed my eyes and let go. I remember hearing a pop noise and I was in deep space overlooking galaxy's and world's. I felt like I was being admired or looked at. I felt I was this energy of light that everyone could see and was waiting to see. I felt like a god but I wouldn't dare take that role or name... I just felt important and loved. Not soon after everything turned into patterns and bright colors and then I was back home. The come down was pleasant and lasting. My brothers turn and his ended up like being my first trip of the evening.

DMT is a strange thing. I quit trying to understand it because it keeps me grounded and I'm a person that thinks there is an explanation for everything. With DMT you just never know. Every trip is different.... Every single one. My last dose I piled it on and went for broke going in with a clear head. Lights are always on as I tried a dark room or with Xmas lights and it just made a darker trip.

Persistent I am, other worlds I will see. Don't go in with expectations and take all trips good, bad, pointless, extreme and other worldly with appreciation. I wouldn't give up if I were you.

 

[○]

I think with starting on the path of DMT it's definitely important to learn proper technique, using the proper device, learning the hand/eye/vapor coordination - that all can take some time, but for some.. sometimes not.

But overall I agree with 3rdi [and I know we don't promote reckless dosing here], but I think it's important to push the envelope with this stuff. Unless you're teetering on poor physical health [mental/physical] in some sense, prescribed contraindicated medications, poor environment, etc etc, I think it's important to hold steadfast and patiently push ..push ...then push some more. But on a side note - it's also important to let a properly big experience digest, attend to life, go live, then come back [then..push some more ]. And to add - the experience should be respected [and many here know why I say this]. So what I said above can be a delicate dance of sorts.

It's funny you know, I've vaporized big dosages, had very powerful experiences, then at times I've dosed a decently less amount, only for that supposed lesser experience to build to heights and depths that far exceeded my apparent 'bigger dosages', so what I said above isn't completely correct. I feel there 'can' be many variables leading up to that first toke. We can square away much of the basic factors of dosing, but sometimes there's variables I'm sure we're not aware of [and what all those are I'm not too sure tbh]

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

you turn up to the rave and the men on the door wont let you in, disaster, they are mean and kind of scary, you decide on a reasoned approach, but after you try to talk your way in they ruff you up and toss you into the gutter, you have two options,

1, sigh, drop your head, turn around and admit defeat, walking away with fear and embaressment in your heart.

2, take a step back, asses the situation, look the bouncers in the eyes with a wicked glint in yours, and then proceed to charge the door, somersault over the bouncers, smash through the door and proceed to dissolve into a mass of bodies, lights, lasers and glorious hardcore.

there is only 1 option really.

stay strong, up the dose, toke deep and strive for glory:twisted:.

nothing worth having comes easy

I'd have gone round the back and through the toilet window.

This is what I was saying...

Rather than try to plow through the bouncers, where you would probably hit them like a brick wall, then get beat up, and embarrassed, and still be refused entry, you could out-smart the situation...

If you try to "brute force" it with DMT, the "DMT bouncers" could end up hyper-slapping you repeatedly...

-eg

 

[starway6]

the moment after i exhale i was like hmm oh shit im back here again closed my eyes the visuals were week but the idea of these entities scanning me was there but it felt dark again ominous and got the idea like back away dude dont come back fuk off ...



or should i just back off and listen to the message ?

I think the answer your looking for... may be stored in your own subconscious mind ....take a look inside..

 

[skoobysnax]

The situation the OP descibes is much like the dysphoria i feel if i have a misfire or dose too low. I had discissions at length in anotber thread i started. Nick Sand is a wizard. His writings are sage. Changa may be a good answer to the problem especially using a hash pipe. Sometimes for me the negative entity was my own bodies reaction to burned spice! I would get the feeling of balls in my throat and a fear something was trying to kill me. I have begun to feel the entities are on the inside not the outside. And they are comprised of the multitudes that exist in a universe that is me! Once i had red devils birning me and upon coming back my finger was on the tip of my hot machine:shock:

 

[goddard]

thnx very much guys

your responses are very helpfull

i will get a gvg to use the right technique from now on and solve some issues that are lurking in the background in my daily life

let you know what happened my next try