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sub breakthroughs=negative trips, would a full breakthrough=positive?

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ChampionPuffa

ChampionPuffa

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ok so my partner has been doing spice with me, whilst i tend to have near amazing trips full of colour an wonder give or take a few moments of strangeness from a sub breakthrough dose of 15-25 mg, my partner on the other hand has had nothing but negative experiences, from at first being probed by pink elephant kinda entities(which ahe found odd but fun) then being wot she can only describe as being mind raped by the same entities, and again on another dose by a single entity that had her stuck on some kinda table thing from wot she described. she just had a 10-15mg dose to see if she enjoys a smaller dose a bit more than the 20-25mg usual and a similar thing happened but not as bad, she doesnt see many colours or patterns an if anything she is in an empty kinda black space with only her an these feelings of terror. she also completly forgets shes done spice but i do not and can often remember its jus the dmt during the trip to some extent. she does find that when i tell her stuff like to relax its just the spice etc she gets a bit better but still cant get around it.
shes kinda getting used to the feelings now but its still a bit weird for her, she really wants to know why this is happening and i suppose explore it more.
wot we are both wondering is if instead of giving her sub-breakthrough doses of under 25mg i gave her a 40-50mg dose to break her through completely would it get her past this point of terror and in away blast her through this empty dark space and into the world im able to veiw from a distance on my sub breakthrough doses.
do you guys/gals think this would work an give her a more positive trip or do you think it would make for a much more terrifying experience i dont really see how if shes ok to put up with the trips shes had now it could get much worse.
any help thoughts or ideas would be much appreciated before she decides to get blasted straight into hyperspace only to find its even blacker and darker than before.
 
ChampionPuffa said:
...wot we are both wondering is if instead of giving her sub-breakthrough doses of under 25mg i gave her a 40-50mg dose to break her through completely would it get her past this point of terror and in away blast her through this empty dark space and into the world im able to veiw from a distance on my sub breakthrough doses.
do you guys/gals think this would work an give her a more positive trip or do you think it would make for a much more terrifying experience i dont really see how if shes ok to put up with the trips shes had now it could get much worse.
any help thoughts or ideas would be much appreciated before she decides to get blasted straight into hyperspace only to find its even blacker and darker than before.
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I would not recommend increasing dose that much. If 25mg is close to a breakthrough dose, then 30mg would probably be a nice dose. Jumping up to 40-50mg sounds like a bad idea. If 30mg doesn’t do it, then go to 35, 40, etc.

It’s hard to say what awaits her with a full breakthrough dose. Bad sub-breakthrough doesn’t mean good breakthrough nor does it mean bad breakthrough. If she’s willing to try a higher dose, provide lots of reassurance and support. That’s never a bad thing.
 
I suggest continueing to work with the lower doses until things improve. Have her work on deep breathing.
work on strengthening the center and grounding.

I've said this before but eventually the probing and the oppressive experiences stopped when i gained the strength to want to change it .

Thats to say standing up to the "thing" and saying" no I'm not digging this, stop this, I see what you are.
see it as a playful game of some kind. Thats what i did anyway. It likes that believe it or not.

there are different kinds of negative experienced at lower doses eventually you can tell if it safe to continue to higher doses.
 
flnik said:
Thats to say standing up to the "thing" and saying" no I'm not digging this, stop this, I see what you are.
see it as a playful game of some kind. Thats what i did anyway. It likes that believe it or not.
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This happened to SWIM one time, he was rewarded with a vision after standing up and letting the elves know that he wasnt digging being poked with little spears (thought it felt good lol). But some other time he got his soul crushed, compacted and dissolved (not in a good way) after using the same technique :(

Probably DMT may not be her thing? If she feels a breakthrought might offer a different experience there's only one way to know... but i agree in that you should make small 5mg increments instead of going for a sudden high dose. To jump into deep waters is not usually a good idea with dmt.
 
cool, thanks for the replies guys, well she defo wants to get to enjoying so its something she wants to work on first before deciding its not for her. i think the standing up to it could work but it seems its impossible for her to do anything or even think much while trippin, i defo agree with the going up in 5mg bits, i think if she does a bigger one it would be 30mg, she seems to be getting used to the feelings tho so she should be able to learn to kinda take control of it more. thanks again for the replies.
il let you know how she gets on.
 
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