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Sub optimal dose experimentation

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DimensionlessBeing

DimensionlessBeing

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swim has been experimenting with small doses and is having strange experiences. he closes his eyes and begins asking probing questions and answers come but initially it seems like ego or self responding. this is somewhat normal because of the minds tendency to get excited or anxious while crawling to the edge of the screaming abyss (thanks Terence).

Then the strangeness. this conversation apparently goes deeper but swim cant recall the details. After a few minutes as he begins to return to this reality he notices the voice he is talking to doesnt sound like his and the statements made arent thoughts (or at least dont seem to be). swim then realizes that he smoked spice and had forgotten. the way he remembers is he notices the fading geometric patterns. this has only hapoened with sub optimal doses. Rregular doses over 20mg send him into the screaming abyss and recall of the experience is fairly good but he never ever forgets he smoked spice.

And then, ths may be coincidence, but when swim gets the feeling the spice had worn off the other night, he looked at the clock and it was 11:11. :). Was it the entity giving him a sign?

Has anyone ever heard of someone having such an experience? swim can reporoduce this effect and intends to do so while striving to remember the contents of the conversation.
 
Dear Hueyii

I have definately had similar experiences on small amounts, however I have generally been able to remember the whole rave then offered.
The first few time It happened I was really surprised by the content it was delivering, however I was not too sure I wanted to hear it.

The topic was very personally directed and was a type of advise for dealing with huge cultural enertia. It started along the lines of "If you want your mission to succeed you will need to understand the Biological Lores of Greed and Fear!" Holy shit, do I?

I asked the voice to stop and it did.... I then felt more confident so I asked it to rewind and start again, which it did, several times as I kept asking it to rewind again.
it went on.... "The only things that will move the masses toward transformation is Greed and Fear"..... I stopped it again. I stared it up again...."Don't reject these physiological intelligences, they have kept humanity alive for hundreds of thousands of years"..... "There are 3 types of greed and 3 types of fear you need to understand".... "physical, mental and emotional. You need to understand focus upon "......(save for another post eh?)

I had smoked it while relaxing, working in a garden. I rolled up a "scoobie" with enough to go places yet I drew on only gently not wanting too much to happen. Just allowing myself to fiddle with the edges and observing my physical responses.
I did, not need much for this effect to be produced, yet it was not entirely a high either.

The kind of information that I recieved was a bit frightening at first. It was very powerful and intellectually subtle. I could not say that my ego was producing this awareness, for the knowledge was of a kind so elevated and broad that few individuals would choose to hold it. It was also not very pleasant to be informed of humanity's
(therefore my) selfishness.

i feel there is great value in learning to bridge these worlds. Low or sub-optimal can be the just what we sometimes need.
Remembering the details comes with focus and asking for help when you want it.

By coincidence,
My ruling and day numbers in numerology are 11/11
Have a create day
 
I feel better now knowing its not just swim experiencing this. Really cool to hear some else tell the same story. And you describe it well. A voice speaking from a seemingly different consciousness. Swim remembers thinking "wait a minute, that doenst sound like me" and then the voice starts in again and he listens to the grammar, style and content which confirmed for him that it really wasnt. Now if only he could remember what it said.

Terence says that over time you can use "tricks" to remember but he doesnt say what those tricks are. Hes right when he says its like liquid gold running through your fingers that you cant hold onto.

Wish i knew what those tricks are. I read somewhere that its good to have a sitter to relate it all to immediately before you lose it all. I'd say thats one of the tricks but Terence says he liked to do it alone in a dark room.
 
Cool hueyii

I am very glad you feel better.
I reckon there is more to sub-optimal doses than given credit.
I reckon the way is to remember it is to command it as if it were a much loved device perhaps?
That's what I did if we analysis it. I asked it to stop it did! I asked it to rewind, it did!
I wasn't thinking that i was being unfair toward it.
I just wasn't ready to hear it all at first.... so I said stop. then I thought "bummer what was it saying again"?
It behaved just like a psychically controlled speaking machine.
I had it repeat itself 4 or 5 times in the end. that's how I remembered!
It works with bullies too....lol


I have heard this kind of voice on Nitrous Oxide as well years ago.
I had just popped some acid then i took a big hit of NO2.
Opps saw x4 parallel types of self memories flash backward toward birth, as I was being told to get it together. i could never remember exactly what it had said....bummer

that was then
this is now, It is much easier with confidence
sub-optimal dose are always smaller and softer
but often a bit unpleasant.

good luck with it bro
. no worries

It knew my situation much more intimately than I would have expected... Such little self esteem...lol
Anyway it knows more than I will pretend to understand
But if feel there is much to discover.... being between two worlds.
 
Hey

Yeah I have had very similar experiences.
I have opted to not breakthrough for a while after a pretty disturbing trip to hyperspace. Instead I inhale no more than 10-15mgs maybe 20 but who knows and do so repeatedly over the course of an hour or so, topping up when I feel the need to vibrate at the right frequency again. And what happens for me is a sort of interconnecting with this being of intense knowledge its told me its God and other times its told me it isn't, but its pretty clear its a higher being.

I have asked it questions, and received in depth answers, other times they are vague. Sometimes I don't even enounter the being, but it certainly intrigues me.

I remember most of my trips in detail I don't know of any tricks I just remember them. I have written down alot of what was conveyed to me, once I had the urge to write and wrote 6 x A3 pages of stuff that seemed to flow through me not really in my handwriting, and I had no idea what I was writing, as I was reading it as it was appearing in front of me. I don't show anyone as it seems quite personal.

anyway these are my experiences with low dose as of now. my journey with DMT has just begun, but I now theres alot more in store for me.
 
Interesting stuff. Seems close to what you could call a functional high (relatively speaking). Do low doses of changa produce a similar effect?
 
It appears,upon subsequent experimentation, that the voice wont speak unless my friend starts the dialogue. At least thats the way it has happened. swim has also lapsed into a state where he doesnt remember anything for a minute or so and then returns with intense visuals and some confusion. He thinks that this may be due to a larger dose that invokes the stage one experience as decribed by Terrence McKenna.

The last two spice encounters were entered into silently whith no voice offering information. The next two will start with questions. I'll post here with results. may be a few days though.

Thx for the responses!
 
Dear hueyii and PrimalWisdom.
Cool to hear back from you on this topic.

I feel Sub-Optimal is a bit unkind a word for it.... maybe SO is the term for it. "it was just a so dose"?


What your are saying makes perfect sense from my experiences.
I have found it to work with changa-like substances.

Nice to ear back from others regarding the methods of interaction.
PrimalWisdom mentioned that the content of the raves he/she had were quite personal.
Without details I wonder what kind of personal was ment?

For me the voice has seemingly known all my inner thoughts for years.
What it has had to say to me is always a bit strange but very interesting.

I will check in again to see what what with the voice.
Good post mate, great discussion on good topic.
 
synchroneyes said:
It started along the lines of "If you want your mission to succeed you will need to understand the Biological Lores of Greed and Fear!" Holy shit, do I?

I asked the voice to stop and it did.... I then felt more confident so I asked it to rewind and start again, which it did, several times as I kept asking it to rewind again.
it went on.... "The only things that will move the masses toward transformation is Greed and Fear"..... I stopped it again. I stared it up again...."Don't reject these physiological intelligences, they have kept humanity alive for hundreds of thousands of years"..... "There are 3 types of greed and 3 types of fear you need to understand".... "physical, mental and emotional. You need to understand focus upon "......(save for another post eh?)
Click to expand...

Please continue. What you were being told makes perfect sense......
 
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