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I second this. I may have only been here a little over a year, but I feel it is my duty to assist in the smooth operation of this community, as it is everyones duty. Something as ridiculously simple as "not cussing" is difficult to contain. I am not a mod, and because of this for some reason my expression is not valued as legit.

Curse words should be changed into positive sayings like "I love you".
 
I personally don't feel there is anything wrong with swearing as long as it is not excessive and out of context. It is a part of language and there is a time and a place for that kind of thing, and times when it is unnecessary and simply derogatory. The derogatory and excessive use of that language makes people look stupid and unintelligent.

It does not bother me the least when someone says "wholy shit.. I almost died!". It is different from someone coming in saying "man I fucked 2 bitches today" or "how can I make some of that DMT shit ?" or "you dumb asshole!" etc. Well you get the point.

It is a pointless exercise in futility imo to try to moderate every single little use of the word shit etc..
 
I agree with Jamie.

it's language...there's a time and a place for descriptive words but gratuitous profanity just makes the site look juvenile and cheap.
 
jamie said:
I personally don't feel there is anything wrong with swearing as long as it is not excessive and out of context. It is a part of language and there is a time and a place for that kind of thing, and times when it is unnecessary and simply derogatory. The derogatory and excessive use of that language makes people look stupid and unintelligent.

It does not bother me the least when someone says "wholy shit.. I almost died!". It is different from someone coming in saying "man I fucked 2 bitches today" or "how can I make some of that DMT shit ?" or "you dumb asshole!" etc. Well you get the point.

It is a pointless exercise in futility imo to try to moderate every single little use of the word shit etc..
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In the discussion about cursing in the past it was already settled that we would allow more explicit language when people would describe their deep entheogen experiences.

And the thing with allowing some words is that after that, people will think it is ok to curse and start cursing more. Then people will ask why some words are allowed and others not and off we go again.

In the past, I experimented several times with letting the no-cursing rule slide a bit to see if the group of people were able to hold the level of conversation without sliding down. Each time I was disappointed since it slided down in just days with no end in sight. Not only did the conversation use more cursing, also the general level of discussion went down since the people who did not like the cursing stopped taking part in the discussions and on average they had more interesting input than "sh*t this stuff is good, I'm high as f*ck".

Please understand that we are with a very diverse group of people here, some might not care about bad language but others do. In this case I rather like the more intellectual people who do not need the bad language than people who bring down the level of discussion with pointless cursing and swearing.


elru said:
Can curse words please just be programmed to come out as gibberish or something so that this isn't an issue anymore? I have seen this happen at least half a dozen times this week and am really getting sick of asking people not to swear and having them get mad at me, or seeing someone else ask people not to swear and then the person asking becomes a target of aggression.

If swearing is really not welcome then please just make the chat not display those words and it will solve this problem without starting these absolutely ridiculous and divisive arguments.
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This will not work, it is hiding the problem while I want to do something about the cause. The thing about the no cursing rule is that people should be aware about what they say, just hiding the words means that nothing is accomplished. Also the first thing that will happen is that people will try to write the words down in different styles so that it shows up anyway.

Wiping the dirt under the rug does not mean the room is clean.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
I agree with Jamie and Cyb. An endless stream of banal obscenities shows a lack of maturity. Or if used just for the sake of offence then it is a definite no no. But when used creatively it can be a beautiful part of our wonderful diverse language.

I really think that getting offended by the odd swear word is self defeating.

Maybe we should have a rule where if you want put swear words in, they have to be in minimum font size. That way people have to try harder to read the bad words. Or they can choose to skim over them.

"To swear, except when necessary, is becoming to an honorable man." —Quintilian

fuckyou very much for reading this post
 
I swear outside the forum. Sometimes excessively.

One thing i can say is, it is much more interesting listening to someone give a speech that doesn't contain swear words, and instead an increased level of vocabulary. Trav's point is it ends up getting out of hand if it is allowed at all. Which I def agree cause I'm seeing it happen right now.

I guess the only resolution I can see that would possibly push us in the correct direction would be to program kikker to kick people automatically when curse words were used. And if it continues to happen by many people so many times, shut down chat for the day. There isn't always a mod in there and I personally think if that's the rule than it upsets me that others can't simply follow it.

Would be no different than if a mod were there. Kikker should have at least a warning system that lets people know. At first the novelty would be there. But eventually people will get bored of it and just not do it.
 
A situation I see pretty frequently is that someone will swear, other people will ask them not to, and then the person swearing gets mad that they were asked not to do something and starts cursing excessively to prove a point. People warn the person that they will get themselves banned doing this but because there are no mods in the chat, people can just continue cursing and arguing and completely derailing the conversation. "You can't tell me what to do! You're not a mod so shut up!" It's like dealing with drunk children and it's exasperating to see this happen so frequently.
 
elru said:
A situation I see pretty frequently is that someone will swear, other people will ask them not to, and then the person swearing gets mad that they were asked not to do something and starts cursing excessively to prove a point. People warn the person that they will get themselves banned doing this but because there are no mods in the chat, people can just continue cursing and arguing and completely derailing the conversation. "You can't tell me what to do! You're not a mod so shut up!" It's like dealing with drunk children and it's exasperating to see this happen so frequently.
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If this happens please send me a PM with the chat log in it, I will then take the appropriate actions.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
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