Syrian Rue Extraction help.

[JohnIce2]

So I'm doing the vinegar water tek on some of my rue seeds. I put in 30g of them into a acidic solution that still had some of the alkaloids in it (ran out of vinegar haha so I recycled.), boiled for about 40mins then strained. The solution was then mixed with a small amount of baking soda to lower the acidity a bit so it didn't explode when I put in Calcium Hydroxide (not that much. I've seen this stuff ruin my Yopo extractions so I went a bit easy). Original solution was a neon blue under a black light. After straining first pull it turned a yellow blueish color. The second pull was done and strained and this one had significantly more in it. about 3x as much precipitated out. now my solution is light green in color under a black light, a red orange-ish under normal. I observed the solution with the precipitates in it before straining (from the second pull). It was bright yellow green kinda like highlighters are under a black light.

so my questions are these. Im ganna do another pull to get all of it out until it stops being florescent under a black light. What should I do with my pulls?? I plan on smoking it but I would prefer maximum effects... I smoked some of my first pull alone (not much happened, didn't even really get high), then I added some powdered rue seeds and it got me pretty stoned (not like cannabis tho similar) in a trippy way. How should I go about making a potent smokable version? I understand that Harmine (I think I got the right one... They all sound similar) is not active this way. So what is active when smoking Rue? and how do I isolate it?

BTW my resources are a bit limited and I have some Chemistry knowledge, but am not the best at it.

 

[concombres]

What tek are you following?

I have never seen calcium hydroxide used in a rue extraction. It is poorly soluble in water & best used in dry teks.

 

[Biawak]

I use lye for the 1st basing. Rooto brand.

For max effect, Manske some and eat it. After you start feeling that coming on then smoke the freebase.

 

[JohnIce2]

Well I was following the Manske one with 5% acidity White Distilled Vinegar and water.
In all honesty, I wouldn't have ever figured out that Calcium Hyroxide was not very water soluble. I've mixed it with water a few times and it goes into solution. The water I used those times was acidified just as the one in this tek it. I used it specifically because it is a strong basing agent like lye, and I had it on hand (only other thing was baking soda). I skipped the acid salt part of the tek and went straight to freebase precipitation after cooking and straining. Smoked a pinch a few minutes ago with a very very very small ball of pot resin (I'm out of weed !!and the ball was not enough to normally do anything to me except maybe taste it) and was quite surprised. The high came on resembling a mild stimulant and trails became slightly clearer (I see them everyday anyways, but they were a tad bit stronger) and now I am high as a kite. Like either this stuff doesn't work and it was the resin (seriously doubt it. The ball was the size of the inside of a o <--that size) or this stuff works and even though it has some residual Hydroxide (supposing that it fell out of solution as mentioned) it still feels pretty good. Its kinda hard to smoke tho. I don't have a pipe bowl with a screen anymore unfortunately and I have to pack my pinch hitters Jusssst right for me to cash it without sucking in my cheeks.

anyway to purify to freebase crystals without separating the alkaloids? I enjoy the mixture.

 

[concombres]

Calcium hydroxide will dissolve in water I you use a relatively large volume of water.
Solubility is ~1g/1000ml. Ph will only reach 12.5

Compared to sodium hydroxide solubility, i do not know an exact amount but 50g dissolves easily into 150ml water with a little stirring. The ph can rise to a much larger degree than with calcium hydroxide also.

Your harmalas sound like they are working coreectly so you probably did manage to precipitate some, but I imagine not nearly as much as you would using sodium hydroxide.

Now there is a neat little trick another member mentioned here recently that i was unaware of. I have not tried it yet but from what I have read so far, calcium hydroxide & sodium carbonate can be reacted to create aqueous sodium hydroxide & calcium carbonate.

I am still researching this a bit, it seems as if calcium carbonate is likely not very soluble in water & with a relatively large concentration of lye saturating the water, it may push out the calcium carbonate leaving one with a concentrated sodium hydroxide solution & calcium carbonate precipitate.

I am far from a chemist so I may be wrong about this, but I do not have the time to look into it much further tonight.

What i`m getting at with the above is that if you want to use sodium hydroxide & you are limited on funds or available reagents, what you have on hand already may actually be just what you need to produce relatively pure sodium hyrdoxide.

 

[JohnIce2]

Hello! Very interesting. now I used Bicarbonate which im sure isnt as good as when u stick it in the oven for a hour at 200 F. I'm going to take 200mg oral tnight and see how potent it is. I only have a .1g scale so im a bit limited.

UPDATE: So I prolly ended up taking around 220mg of rue extract. hour and 15 later I can still type so thats a thing. Mild trails. Im Really Really high tho. and stuff has static projected on it. Also slight distortions. no noticable CEVs yet. about 45mins in I smoked a bowl of freebase and a small resin ball. Kinda feel like im not here at all but still am. This stuff has no nasea and I love it haha. I could imagine it would if it were taken at a higher dose. Also considering that this isnt pure extract (at least I dont think so. From the other posts on this topic im sure their is Edible Lime in the mix binded to the alkaloids.). I cant acurately judge how potent it is compared to ground rue or tea cause I have just recently started experimenting with it.

Also side question. how long after taking the alkaloids or rue can I take say 60mg XR adderall? I dont plan on taking it anytime soon but just wanted to make sure like I could in say a few days seeing as how the MaoI is selective and wears off relatively fast.

Anyways! Thank you! If anything else note worthy happens I will report back, but so far just feels like a mild trip at that. Mabye im to high to tell im trippin :surprised ?? Lol

 

[Drowning-man]

Yeah wat I do to get a pure product I boil in vinegar water filter with funnel with cotton balls start with 1 then to and so on to 4 cotton balls. Base with lye wash at least 4 times with cold water. Disolve freebase in vinegar do the mansk. Base then go back and forth. I do those like 4 times each. Just follow the teks from wiki. They work. The nexiuns that created these teks are masters of there art. Follow it to a T and you wont be disappointed. I tryed it my own way the first time I did it it and it was nasty. I don't use black light as a indicated. Just pull and base untill you getno more product. I love hatmala extraction. It takes alot of time and love but its worth it.

 

[concombres]

Hello! Very interesting. now I used Bicarbonate which im sure isnt as good as when u stick it in the oven for a hour at 200 F. I'm going to take 200mg oral tnight and see how potent it is. I only have a .1g scale so im a bit limited.

UPDATE: So I prolly ended up taking around 220mg of rue extract. hour and 15 later I can still type so thats a thing. Mild trails. Im Really Really high tho. and stuff has static projected on it. Also slight distortions. no noticable CEVs yet. about 45mins in I smoked a bowl of freebase and a small resin ball. Kinda feel like im not here at all but still am. This stuff has no nasea and I love it haha. I could imagine it would if it were taken at a higher dose. Also considering that this isnt pure extract (at least I dont think so. From the other posts on this topic im sure their is Edible Lime in the mix binded to the alkaloids.). I cant acurately judge how potent it is compared to ground rue or tea cause I have just recently started experimenting with it.

Also side question. how long after taking the alkaloids or rue can I take say 60mg XR adderall? I dont plan on taking it anytime soon but just wanted to make sure like I could in say a few days seeing as how the MaoI is selective and wears off relatively fast.

Anyways! Thank you! If anything else note worthy happens I will report back, but so far just feels like a mild trip at that. Mabye im to high to tell im trippin :surprised ?? Lol

Sodium carbonate works but I cannot comment on how well compared to sodium hydroxide. I have not had any first hand experience with it. You may want to look around & read some others experiences using sodium carbonate to extract rue to work out all the kinks & little stuff you may run into. I think I do recall reading someone running into a problem with PH buffering but that was with a large extraction.
Either way, you have what you need to produce sodium carbonate on hand quickly & it is not extremely caustic.

If you want to clean your harmalas up, it is very simple. If they are already freebase, just wash with cold water 3-4x, dissolve in vinegar, filter, & manske again.
You can repeat this as many times as needed until desired purity is reached.

If they are already manske`d, base them first & then follow the above steps.

Your harmalas seem to be relatively pure already by your description. A little more cleanup may provide a stronger product but probably not by much.
At 250mg I can usually walk, type, etc. But I really do not want to.
Sensitivity to light, trails, mild motion sickness, & impaired balance usually leaves me wanting to just lie in bed with the lights off & meditate.
For me, the nausea with harmalas does not seem to be very bad until I push past 250mg and/or add in DMT.

About the adderall, i would wait 3-4 days at least. It is probably not necessary to wait that long, but it is better to be safe than sorry.
You may want to look into the Half life of harmaline & harmine. Also possibly their active metabolites & the half life of those respectively just to be sure they have all been given adequate time to leave your system.

 

[JohnIce2]

Thank You All!!! haha I'm decently happy with the results right now, but on my next extraction (I have like 3/4th of a pound of rue left lol) I'll definitely use the methods described all the way through. I don't think I could help nasea if it came up but I do believe that since their is residual basing material in it, when I take it orally that will help the acid re-flux/ throwing up part a bit.
Just made some ghetto pill capsules out of some Acetaminophen pills (they looked like capsules but I guess it was just a Tylenol 500 with a red and a blue capsule end that are the same size on each side so I just filled up the halfs and put the ends on top stacked about 4 capsule ends. Each weighs about .3g)

Lol second night in a row im doing this lol. This morning I took .3g freebase extract in a parachute and got effects for around 5 hours tho they were mild (milder than the dose last night). I took .5g at 9:29 and .2 at 9:50. Coming up fast. No nasea so far. Motion trails noticable (its 10:34 now) and objects seem to zoom in and out in a slight delayed fashon when moving head slightly forward while lookin at them. Thinking about doing some sub lingual in a small dose here after 11 to see if I can get a "actual" trip out of it. Will report back.

 

[concombres]

Thank You All!!! haha I'm decently happy with the results right now, but on my next extraction (I have like 3/4th of a pound of rue left lol) I'll definitely use the methods described all the way through. I don't think I could help nasea if it came up but I do believe that since their is residual basing material in it, when I take it orally that will help the acid re-flux/ throwing up part a bit.
Just made some ghetto pill capsules out of some Acetaminophen pills (they looked like capsules but I guess it was just a Tylenol 500 with a red and a blue capsule end that are the same size on each side so I just filled up the halfs and put the ends on top stacked about 4 capsule ends. Each weighs about .3g)

Lol second night in a row im doing this lol. This morning I took .3g freebase extract in a parachute and got effects for around 5 hours tho they were mild (milder than the dose last night). I took .5g at 9:29 and .2 at 9:50. Coming up fast. No nasea so far. Motion trails noticable (its 10:34 now) and objects seem to zoom in and out in a slight delayed fashon when moving head slightly forward while lookin at them. Thinking about doing some sub lingual in a small dose here after 11 to see if I can get a "actual" trip out of it. Will report back.

Capsules I find can throw off dosage. The salts from manske also seem to work much better orally.
What I do is take my dose of harmalas after the final manske & dissolve in a shot glass of water. The effects have consistantly been stronger that way.
Be careful with larger doses though, diet & other factors can effect harmalas alot.
I have had times when I took 250mg & it was mild, & other times for reasons I still cannot figure out, 250mg will produce much stronger effects than expected.
You really have to experiment with different variables & work at each dosage level for a while to get a good idea of the full range of effects possible at a given dosage.

Also, i know I probably do not need to say this, but if you choose to use calcium hydroxide or sodium hydroxide as a base next time be absolutely sure you wash away all traces of base or neutralize by dissolving in an acidic solution before ingesting. Food safe bases are one thing, but stuff like lye or lime that has the potential to give one chemical burns or saponify fat cells on the way down is a whole other story & needs to be used much more carefully.