SyZyGyPSy's EASY Harmaloid Freebase TEK (56 grams)

[Aoutiv]

Tek: SyZyGyPSy's EASY Harmaloid Freebase TEK
(EASY Harmaloid Freebase TEK - DMT-Nexus Wiki)

Amount: 56 grams

Time: 3 days

Followed the tek to the T (heated distilled water in microwave). The Harmalas are still drying. I plan to clean them up a couple of times then use Phlux's harmine/harmaline seperatin tek (Harmine and Harmaline Separation - My Photo Tek - Telepathine Tek - Harmalas - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus) after they are cleaned.

Here is a pic of them in their current stage drying. Enjoy.

 

[endlessness]

hey

dont clean up simply with the freebasing, rather repeat at least twice the salt precipitation step, and then proceed to freebasing

 

[acolon_5]

Very nice, but that can really be cleaned up a lot.

That's a bit weird, because with good filtration one can get a very light tan colored final product with just 1 Manskey and 1-2 A/B's.

 

[Aoutiv]

how much vinegar should i add to the 1/2 liter distilled water (to add to 1/2 liter NaCL saturated distlled water) to do another precip?

 

[endlessness]

well unless your water is basic, it should work even without vinegar so, just a splash or two is enough to make sure

 

[Aoutiv]

I have a few of questions.

1. I did another manske precip and the crystals were much bigger as they precip'd out. Is this normal?

2. I can't remember where I read it, but someone posted that from the liquid strained from the manske precip they saved it and dropped a few drops of ammonia to remove the alks. They said this worked but was probably not harmalas. I did this and alot precip'd out. Is this normal? Are these alks? Are these harmalas that were too small and passed through the filter?

3. I plan on doing a few more manske precips. Can you tell how pure your harmalas are by the color of each following manske precip? Does it get 'clearer'?

4. Endless, when you mean freebasing, do you mean the step where you add ammonia to get the alks to fall out?

5. Acolon_5, what do you mean by 2 A/B's?

Thanks for feedback!

 

[endlessness]

1-possible, personally I never really noticed

2- well if your manske precipitation was properly done (enough salt was added), then yes all the harmalas should have precipitated as salt, and after separating them, when adding a base to the harmala-free liquid, these precipitated alkaloids should be only 'other' alkaloids.. (and no, harmalas wouldnt pass through a filter if you used a coffee filter). If you want just for the sake of it, you can redissolve these 'other' alkaloids in acidic water and saturate with salt again.. if nothing comes out then you are sure its not harmalas, but probably vasicine/vasicinone

-3 Yes it definitely gets clearer.. I spent last night cleaning up some rue extraction with MANY successive manskes and A/Bs.. Each time it gets clearer and clearer.. Final result is some off-white harmaline and some very light yellow harmine, quite nice (I also separated them)

The trick is, when the alkaloids are dissolved in acidic water, filter this water properly, every time! In the first/second manske precpitation, after redissolving them, I filter with cotton plug and funnel, first time with a bit loose, second time more tightly packed plug. After the third manske, I filter in coffee filter and it doesnt take horribly long.

4- Yeah when I say freebasing I mean adding the base do the solution containing the harmalas and they precipitate as freebases. BTW, no need to use ammonia, it stinks badly (and not so easy to find food safe ammonia either, I guess). Use sodium carbonate instead (or first sodium bicarbonate to precipitate harmine and then carbonate to precipitate harmaline)

5- By A/Bs I guess what is meant is simply redissolving in acid water (then filtering again...) and then precipitating them again as freebases.. If im not mistaken, you might lose a little bit of harmaline every time you re-precipitate them as freebase, so better to repeat many times the manske and redissolving and filtering the acid solution for removing impurities many times, and do the freebase step twice or 3 times max, if possible...

 

[Aoutiv]

Thanks endless! With the help and advice of the boards, I did a couple more manske precips. I seperated the dissolved liquid in two jars so I can run an experiment to see how much cleaner the crystals get with a couple more manske precips. So here is a picture of the harmalas drying after 1 manske, 1 a/b, 2 manske's, 1 a/b. They are still really wet but you can see the crystals drying. Enjoy!

Also, are there any tips or advice for drying them? In light? With fan? In dark + time?

 

[Aoutiv]

Update:

Was using ammonia to a/b and in the chat endless suggested a sodium carb wash (not sure why I did not do this in the first place ) and it worked much better. While drying, it didn't leave a nasty yellow residue. I split the harmalas up and did a few different tests (1 with more manske's and 1 with an extra a/b). The extra a/b is drying but here are the multiple manske's. They are MUCH cleaner. They are still drying but one can already notice the difference in color. With this being half of the harmalas, it didn't seem like I lost as much as I had expected.

Enjoy. Thanks for all the help on the board and in the chat!