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Taste for Meat Aided Human Evolution
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Aetherius Rimor
Rising Star
jimm said:
And killing plants for sustenance isn't? </troll>
The logic of becoming omnivorous aiding our evolution is pretty self apparent to me, though it's nice to see some evidence.
More viable sources for food, lower chance of famine due to increased options, and more varied nutrient sources.
Hard to beat that... well... except photosynthesis.
One day we'll evolve the ability to turn sunlight and co2 into energy.... one day.
Even if we would consider this as evidence of something that happened in the past, still this says nothing about the ethical and environmental aspects of eating at least most meat on the market these days, which is a crucial question.
vardlokkur
Rising Star
I can dig this as I'll always be a carnivore at heart, though I believe that the factory process needs a total overhaul. Honestly, the environmental effects of raising meat are more related to sheer over-population and the ethics are tied in with capitalist expense cutting. Humanely slaughtering an animal is no less forceful in one's own will than deciding what plant should be picked.
I support vegans simply because it will mean more meat for me in the future :twisted: . Hopefully the future also holds the prospects of raising and slaughtering/hunting my own meals.
I support vegans simply because it will mean more meat for me in the future :twisted: . Hopefully the future also holds the prospects of raising and slaughtering/hunting my own meals.
Aetherius Rimor
Rising Star
I can't even consider a vegetarian or vegan diet.
Planty tastes... I can force myself to eat. Planty textures will trigger my gag reflex and make me throw up.
Other than very "bland" textured fruits (grapes are fine, cherries/blueberries are pushing it for texture love the taste though), corn, potatos, rice, and breads... I can't eat any other plant matter. Smell of fried Oakra will make me gag as well.
Can't eat most seafood either unless fried.
I understand the dilemma, but for me it's not much of one. I have to eat to survive, and if my body throws up something I try to put down, I don't think I should continue forcing myself through such futile torture.
Planty tastes... I can force myself to eat. Planty textures will trigger my gag reflex and make me throw up.
Other than very "bland" textured fruits (grapes are fine, cherries/blueberries are pushing it for texture love the taste though), corn, potatos, rice, and breads... I can't eat any other plant matter. Smell of fried Oakra will make me gag as well.
Can't eat most seafood either unless fried.
I understand the dilemma, but for me it's not much of one. I have to eat to survive, and if my body throws up something I try to put down, I don't think I should continue forcing myself through such futile torture.
I think if you were ever really hungry one day and couldnt get your type of food, you would overcome these gag reflexes in no time ^
vardlokkur:
"Honestly, the environmental effects of raising meat are more related to sheer over-population and the ethics are tied in with capitalist expense cutting. " <- Not just overpopulation. Some people just eat too much meat coming from bad sources, its not necessary and it has great environmental impact. The more meat you eat, particularly if its been fed with soya (so most commercial meats in non tropical regions and a lot of the ones from tropical regions too), the more you are responsible for environmental destruction.
Brazil is just aproving a law that 50% of the land from every big land owner in the amazon can be legally deforested, and it gives amnesty to people who deforested in the past. This is all due to pressure from big cattle bosses and gigantic monoculture plantation farmers, a lot being soya.
If you eat meat that is local, fed organically, its your choice and I couldnt care less about your diet. People should respect each other's decision on what to eat and what not to eat. But if you are supporting this nasty industry which is affecting ME (and my future children), then it really bothers me.
vardlokkur:
"Honestly, the environmental effects of raising meat are more related to sheer over-population and the ethics are tied in with capitalist expense cutting. " <- Not just overpopulation. Some people just eat too much meat coming from bad sources, its not necessary and it has great environmental impact. The more meat you eat, particularly if its been fed with soya (so most commercial meats in non tropical regions and a lot of the ones from tropical regions too), the more you are responsible for environmental destruction.
Brazil is just aproving a law that 50% of the land from every big land owner in the amazon can be legally deforested, and it gives amnesty to people who deforested in the past. This is all due to pressure from big cattle bosses and gigantic monoculture plantation farmers, a lot being soya.
If you eat meat that is local, fed organically, its your choice and I couldnt care less about your diet. People should respect each other's decision on what to eat and what not to eat. But if you are supporting this nasty industry which is affecting ME (and my future children), then it really bothers me.
I like veal.
and chicken-fried steak, and bbq brisket. and beef fajitas.
and t-bone steak with scallops.
mmmmmmmmmmmm
and chicken-fried steak, and bbq brisket. and beef fajitas.
and t-bone steak with scallops.
mmmmmmmmmmmm
Aetherius Rimor
Rising Star
endlessness said:
I really hope so for my own survival's stake.
No matter how many time's I've tried to eat mushrooms without finely cutting up and flavoring, it's still horrid. Tiny little chunks in a peanut butter sandwich with orange juice to mask the taste still will cause me to gag if it hits the wrong part of my mouth.
Luckily my palate has increased as I've aged, and I can eat vegetables perfectly fine if they're chopped up real finely and breaded. Egg rolls are yummy.
vardlokkur
Rising Star
Endlessness, it is disgusting that the Brazilian government would pass a law like the one you are mentioning. It's sheer exploitation, and I can't imagine it's due to lack of active voices in defiance. The type of mass production for any food, be it plants or animals, done by corporations without environmental regard is the problem. Any vegan who eats mostly genetically modified crops should also be to blame. Honestly I don't think the consumer should be judged in either of these scenarios, or held at fault. The funding pays for the science of cutting expenses, and not for researching the consequences sadly.
I agree if one were a vegan/vegetarian and eats GMO (and/or smokes cigarrete, snorts cocaine, changes a cellphone every couple of months, etc etc), it would be a big contradiction and one would be also contributing to a lot of negative impact in the world.
But fact is, most land deforested in Brazil is for cattle and soya, and most soya is for feeding cows, pigs and chicken (nationally or internationally), you can look it up. Also meat is much less eficient in terms of land/energy spend per gram compared to vegetables . The unsustainable meat market is the biggest responsible for environmental damage there, no question about it.
Im really sorry if I sound negative, but these news just hit me hard today...
But fact is, most land deforested in Brazil is for cattle and soya, and most soya is for feeding cows, pigs and chicken (nationally or internationally), you can look it up. Also meat is much less eficient in terms of land/energy spend per gram compared to vegetables . The unsustainable meat market is the biggest responsible for environmental damage there, no question about it.
Im really sorry if I sound negative, but these news just hit me hard today...
nope, I just have a taste for the aforementioned cuts like many others do.
I have no cowboy hats, or any boots, aside from Doc Martens for winter attire. I don't even like country music.
I have no cowboy hats, or any boots, aside from Doc Martens for winter attire. I don't even like country music.