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The brain is full of surprises.... Piracetam in a dream

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Lunaria

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I remember reading that the brain uses the same receptors in dreams to mimic real life events as it does when you're awake. Sounds logical to me, but I never really put too much thought into it. I have pretty bad insomnia most nights and usually don't remember my first few dreams very well, but the more often I wake up the more easily I remember the dreams following. However, every now and then I'll be able to remember my first dream of the night (and in my experience so far, it only happens on the first one) if when I pass out I'm particularly exhausted and I've been focusing heavily on a specific drug. I'll pass out, and the beginning of the dream will be extremely hazy as usual, but there'll come a point where I'll either take or realize that I'm already on that drug, and everything will become much more vivid and the effects of the drug will very accurately kick in, usually at the potential of a high dose. The first time this happened to me I had been thinking about acid, and my dream went from normal nighttime, outdoor scenery to a field of heavily fractilized objects and colors began changing, breathing, and warping. I've also had some dreams like this for weed, MDMA, amphetamine, etc.

So last night, I was thinking about piracetam extensively before I went to bed. I had actually taken some earlier in the day, along with choline, a few different vitamin complexes, and magnesium, but much too early in the day to have a very direct effect on my dreams other than maybe making them a bit more vivid. As I fell asleep, I entered the same hazy dreamspace, and the last "normal" thing I can remember of it is being aware that I, for whatever reason, was about to feel the effects of piracetam. That was when my whole world fell into chaos. I didn't know where I was, or even whether or not I had a physical form. My reality, and my sense of self, had become a cacophonous web of raw sensory information, and it was as if my dreaming mind was unable to encode this information into a realistic world as it usually does. The only way I think I could possibly describe this would be to say it was somewhat similar to the sensory effects I've gotten from deliriant trips before, but from an objective perspective - there was no 'delirium' because nothing was being processed into any form that could make sense, it was just those basic distortions you'd get that would become things. During all of this, I had the feeling that everything in the world was merging into me, and that when the merging was complete, something big would happen. Well, something did happen: I woke up.

What a crazy experience! My only theory on this so far is that maybe, since my mind has so accurately recreated drug effects in my dream before, it was able to do so with piracetam as well, and it disrupted the basic framework of the dream seeing as how your brain requires that dissociation for you to be dreaming. It definitely wasn't anything I've experienced before; it shared similarities with many things, especially strong psychedelic experiences, but I definitely wouldn't say they fall exactly into the same category. Any thoughts on this? Has anyone experienced something similar?
 
benzyme said:
yes...experienced this for many years.
I prefer aniracetam; onset is about 20 mins.
dreams are whatever, I valued it for the creative process while awake.
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I wasn't talking about experiencing piracetam as a drug though, I also use it when awake, and I don't think it was still in my system by the time I fell asleep (I don't take it daily, and I took it around 8 am and went to bed around 11 pm). That was incidental, what I'm referring to is what happened to me as a result of dreaming that I took piracetam.

I'm planning to order aniracetam next myself, but I don't intend to use it for the same reason as piracetam. I'm much more interested in the fact that it produces anxiolytic effects originating from 5-HT2A/D2 agonism.
 
benzyme said:
you more than likely had vivid dreams because of the choline supplements.
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I can't deny that this probably had something to do with it, but although I can't really provide a credible rebuttal at the moment (I wish I could remember where I read that article...), I have to believe that there was more to it than that, as this did not resemble or feel remotely like any dream I've ever had in my life, and I'm quite familiar with boosting dreams with choline. I would sooner compare this experience to DMT than I would to a dream, but I wouldn't say it was remotely like either.

As for them not having drug-like effects, I know this is true with piracetam, as I am familiar with it, and I know it would apply to the AMPA activity of aniracetam, too. However, aniracetam will most certainly have effects at high doses (higher than used for nootropic effect) because it is known to act on 5-HT2A, D2, and nACh receptors. There are a good handful of reports around to show that it can exhibit stimulant and mildly psychedelic effects. However, whether or not these effects would be worth the addition of the kinds of side effects you would see from a massive dose of piracetam, I can't say, but I intend to find out.

EDIT: For the record, when I said before that I would say it was like raw deliriant effects, I don't mean like words or people or anything... I mean, flashes of light, inaudible sounds, tactile sensations I can't really describe, and other sensory garbage. There was no landscape of any kind, this was all just... "happening". Actually, now that I think about it, it kind of felt like WILDing (wake-initiated lucid dreaming, only done it a couple times, some time ago), but in reverse.
 
from my own experiences (a lot), I've never had anything resembling a psychedelic experience using aniracetam, even at high doses; mildly stimulating at best.
I've also read many studies on these substances, and what I can tell you is that researchers still don't exactly know how they work. they actually influence an array of different neurotransmitters, directly and indirectly. User reports are highly variable, further complicating any sort of assessment.
They may be cognitive enhancers which somewhat potentiate other psychotropics, but they're not wonderdrugs.


oh btw... diminishing returns in the form of downregulation occur after continuous use for a few weeks.
 
I never said they were wonderdrugs, I don't believe they are. To be honest, I'm only gonna be 20 at the end of this month, I really don't think I need any racetams for their marketed purpose in me for quite some time. My biggest reason for ordering piracetam and choline was in hopes of undoing some of the damage I did to myself through diphenhydramine abuse. I'm not looking for a powerful experience or answer to my problems by ordering aniracetam, I'm simply curious as to what effect it will have on me, and since it's known to be safe just like piracetam, I don't see that harm in that.

benzyme said:
oh btw... diminishing returns in the form of downregulation occur after continuous use for a few weeks.
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That's why I don't intend to take it regularly. I figured, I'll try out the doses I want to at first, and if it gives me what I want, great, and if not, it wouldn't hurt to have around. It's pretty cheap, anyway.
 
I'd love to do that, but how would I go about getting rasagiline or selegiline? A quick check tells me they're mainly prescribed for Parkinson's disease, which I (very thankfully) don't have. What would be a good way to go about getting a prescription, saying I have depression (true, but not that serious)? Just telling the truth (to fix the damage)? Heh, I've never actually had any prescriptions other than hydrocodone for wisdom teeth getting pulled. :roll: So I'm not really familiar with how flexible it is....
 
those are some hardcore treatments; you likely haven't done enough 'damage' that brain elasticity wouldn't fix on its own.
this self-repair mechanism is often sufficient enough to negate long-term damage from moderate use of even more neurotoxic compounds like MDMA.
piracetam and aniracetam are fairly effective self-treatments to shake the mental fog induced from recent substance binging
 
I hope you're right, I did do some large doses and binges, but not simultaneously; i.e., I'd take recreational trip doses (well, more recreational than even higher doses, anyway) sometimes every day for a week (only a few times), but if I ever did 700 mg+ they were more than a month apart. I've been through a good amount of dopaminergic abuse too, but luckily before I had heavy drug sources, so mostly in the form of tabs with mixed MDxx and amp, and tabs that were almost certainly meth but those were few and very far between. I'll just stick to the racetams for now, but I'll keep those in the back of my mind. Thanks for the info, it's much appreciated!
 
My first test dose of 2.4g to see if it would counter ADD and 1.2g lecethin resulted in a subtle stimulation. Thoughts were flowing quicker but more streamlined and werent tiring.
I smoked some cannabis a couple of hours after ingesting and it synergized well, produced a warm centred stone but non-drowsy.
However now the piracetam is wearing off the stone is getting heavier and sedating but not unpleasantly so.
 
Just a few observations of the effects of piracetam.

Ive found conflicting and repetitive interaction is less draining i leave work with some energy unlike before.
As an introvert having to interact in conflict with customers feels like your life force is being drawn out of you by such superficial bullshit. Piracetam has a subtle protective anti-anxiety mechanism, a bullshit deflector.
Smoking cannabis has gone back 20 years! Theres no anxiety at all anymore but it feels potentiated too.
 
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