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the dichloromethane

sunset35

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I am extracting Dmt using the stb method, but after washing, only a small amount of Dmt crystals remain. i am following the instructions in dmt nexus, but i can't think of the cause. So I thought that the hexane and acacia confusa that I usually use might be incompatible. However, I am not sure. I switched to dichloromethane, which is reputed to be the most effective non-polar solvent. However, it is banned in the U.S. and there are concerns that it is highly toxic. Is there a problem? Or are there other effective non-polar solvents besides hexane, toluene, heptane, and naphtha?
 
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Xylene, ethyl acetate, butyl acetate…
…chloroform……
there's a ton of options for other solvents, but you'd need to understand the particulars of how best to get the DMT back out of solution.

DCM doesn't really count as acutely highly toxic at all - it's not like HCN or sarin, nor is it like dimethyl mercury, or even CCl₄. It may present problems with carcinogenicity with long-term exposure, and subacutely it can be somewhat narcotic. Used cautiously and occasionally, it's an excellent, non-flammable, easily removed solvent. Best to recover it by distillation if at all possible.

Hexane is a fairly poor solvent for DMT, highly flammable and quite dangerously neurotoxic. You might even be doing yourself a favour by switching to DCM, especially if you educate yourself about the risks and suitable safety precautions.
 
Yeah. The USA is tightly restricting DCM now, I think primarily due to fatalities among improperly trained users of DCM paint strippers. The classic accident there was for a worker to spread the solvent on the bottom of a bathtub they're refinishing, which fills with fumes. The worker leans into the bathtub and inhales, passes out, falls forward, and dies. Competent laboratory use presents very little risk, though. I think the special restrictions are due to that specific history of dangerous use, not due to inherently special danger.

That Brazilian paper found much higher yield with DCM than with any other solvent. Ethyl acetate yielded only 34% as much, and n-hexane yielded 6% as much (Table 2). My own experiment used a somewhat different method: Phalaris and not MHRB, A/B and not STB, weaker solutions, two pulls. The result still seemed surprisingly different, though. The chromatogram below shows the alkaloids remaining in my water after extraction, so less is better. DCM and ethyl acetate are both near zero, so almost 100% of the alkaloids got pulled. Scaling roughly, limonene pulled 94%, hot naptha 83%, room-temperature naphtha or hot mineral oil 65%. Assuming a constant partition coefficient, that would imply yield with a single pull of 75%, 59%, and 41% respectively.

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Their solutions were more concentrated than mine, but they seem well below reported solubilities. Perhaps the partition coefficient still varies significantly with concentration, though? Or perhaps the additional constituents (my sample also contained 5-MeO-DMT, plus the inactive stuff in both cases) interact? I can't currently explain this big difference.

In any case, DCM is good if available and correctly handled. Ethyl acetate is less toxic but more flammable. Isopropyl acetate might have most of ethyl acetate's good properties plus lower solubility with water, though I've never tried it. Limonene is a weaker solvent and hard to evaporate, but barely flammable and almost nontoxic. Hexanes, heptanes, and related mixtures (e.g. naphtha) seem less desirable to me, highly flammable, toxic (especially n-hexane), and the weakest solvents.

The easiest way to debug low yield is often to pull again, then somehow quantify the alkaloids in that last pull alone, like by evaporating and weighing separately. If that's much lower (e.g. <10%) than the previous pull(s), then the method has probably extracted almost all the alkaloids. If not then try more pulls, a stronger solvent, better mixing, heat, etc.
 
I missed this post, but it was very informative, thank you. The results described have been observed at Nexus many times and closely align with the experiences of most members.

In addition to the good solubility of DMT in DCM, it’s worth noting that DMT should not be left in DCM for long periods, as there is a small risk of it reacting and forming other compounds. While this risk is minimal, it is still present.

I think DCM is less user-friendly due to its toxicity, so it may not be the most recommended solvent. That said, it works well in a separatory funnel, which is an added bonus.
 
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