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The Hyperspace Principle

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I don't know how else to write it.

There has to be a way to put into simple terms how we interact with hyperspace, and how the further we move away from it, the less accurate our memories and depictions become.

Thoughts?
 
۩ said:
...the further we move away from it, the less accurate our memories and depictions become.
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Well I can't argue there.

The other thing I've noticed that goes hand in hand with that - which Terence and many others have observed as well - is that the further away you move from it (aka the longer it has been since you've really gotten your feet drenched), the more the visceral profoundness of its implications fade from awareness...The possibilities that we consider surrounding what it is/does/means/implies/etc tend to become more and more mundane.
 
As our re-immersion into the three dimensional world becomes more complete, the reality of materialness attaches itself to us more and more, occulting the experience. Its kind of like losing innocence and growing up from a child to an adult in this world. To keep what we have, I've found that re-entry to hyperspace for booster shots is necessary. Is this what you mean?
 
I don't stop thinking about it any less the longer I am away from it (and it's been about 10 months without for me) but I do know what you mean about the memories losing their weight to a certain extent. There is a diminishing return, but this goes for lots of things. We tend to become desensitized to that which we experience or recall regularly. It's like the memory of a roller coaster ride. There's nothing like actually being on the ride itself. Even the second you've gotten off, your adrenaline and endorphins are probably rushing, but it's nothing like being on it. Later in the day you might reflect on it, and the thought of what you had gone through earlier in the day might be enough to trigger some adrenaline again, but the body will only react like that so many times. Eventually the only way to get things going again is to go back to the amusement park, and get back on the ride (that only lasts but for a few moments).
 
Yes that is what I mean. Thanks for the alternative perspectives.



The further we move away from hyperspace
the less accurate our memories become
in proportion to its diminishing potency of profoundness.


There has to be a more clear and concise way to word this principle. I will be pondering.
 
Global said:
I don't stop thinking about it any less the longer I am away from it (and it's been about 10 months without for me) but I do know what you mean about the memories losing their weight to a certain extent. There is a diminishing return, but this goes for lots of things. We tend to become desensitized to that which we experience or recall regularly. It's like the memory of a roller coaster ride. There's nothing like actually being on the ride itself. Even the second you've gotten off, your adrenaline and endorphins are probably rushing, but it's nothing like being on it. Later in the day you might reflect on it, and the thought of what you had gone through earlier in the day might be enough to trigger some adrenaline again, but the body will only react like that so many times. Eventually the only way to get things going again is to go back to the amusement park, and get back on the ride (that only lasts but for a few moments).
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Do you know if there is a name already for this 'principle'?

Sure I think about it every day too. But the more I think about it the less real it is. There is a huge difference between there, just been there, been there last night, and been there last year.

The other thing is-- if you never go back you are relying purely on memory and old circuits. Essentially running in circles.
 
۩ said:
The further we move away from hyperspace
the less accurate our memories become
in proportion to its diminishing potency of profoundness.


There has to be a more clear and concise way to word this principle. I will be pondering.
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I don't know if I agree with this fully; yes, the loss of accurate memory is valid IME, but in terms of profoundness, 30mg vaped in the GVG after moclobemide 300mg orally has changed
my pattern of hyperspace visitations and me permanently. The difference the MAO inhibition added was similar to superimposing the 'space' between a decent shroom/LSD trip and an unaugmented breakthrough on FB DMT on top of a breakthrough. That gives new meaning to the term profoundness IME, and its mark remains indelible 10 or so months later and I dunno if I will see it fading.
 
۩ said:
The other thing is-- if you never go back you are relying purely on memory and old circuits. Essentially running in circles.
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Well that's at the heart of it then, isn't it? As a writer, and a musician, and an artist, DMT served as a huge fountain of inspiration for me (among other roles it played in my life). An incredible muse if you ever were to have one. All of a sudden though, when the fountain is turned off, all there is left to do is to dwell on the past experiences. One can still be creative in synthesizing parts of old memories together, but as far as DMT is concerned, you're essentially bound to those old experiences. Fresh experiences don't guarantee new inspiration, but they offer the possibility and refresh the memory on various features of hyperspace.
 
I agree with you on that, and that the wording is currently not right.

How would you put it?

I find it difficult to wrap in such a concise package but I know it must exist.
 
I try hard to not forget and try to do basic affirmations
daily to remind myself of its significance in my life .
Lately the further away I go from it the worse I feel on all levels
physically and mentally. My unrelenting requirements for set and setting
has recently taken me too far afield from hyperspace for my liking .
Trying to align for a return ASAP .
 
I think another great gift of DMT is the connectivity. DMT makes all kinds of connections, and it helps you feel connected. A concept that is typically intangible can be made explicit. There is little that can compete with the sense of feeling connected on a satisfaction level. I feel connection to the energy and the divinity around me while I'm in the experience (sometimes). I think the longer that is spent away from hyperspace, the weaker that sense of connectivity and inter-connectivity becomes. When the connection seems gone, we seek old vices and behaviors to help fill our holes where the connections should go.
 
That is also true Global,
but replace inspiration with clarity.
Clarity of having a fresh imprint on what hyperspace is.
This is not something that lasts.

I have a great hyper-spatial memory, but there is an undeniable effect from being within its proximity that diminishes with time.

I seek to describe what this is in a single sentence that we can all agree on.
 
Integrate or disintegrate.

Without smoalking moar, experience becomes mere nostalgia.

I dunno just throwing some words around. Can't find a good word for what is more than just a memory, something that just happened that is still fresh and almost as alive like it just happened. Something more than a recollection.

I think that's what you're trying to say ۩ ? The fact that if you live it less it becomes less valid, less potent? I bet other more consciousness exploring cultures have a much better vocabulary to express this.
 
Hyperspace...

For me (and it's been many months) the experience itself obviously fades over time. The only guarantee is transience. So the story goes.

For me, to 'remember', there's been a few key songs that, when played, facilitate a profundity, both mentally speaking and literally. One song (the one that I had been playing when i had my biggest, deepest, most profound experience a few years back in a bong) that if I play it, I literally become flooded with pieces upon pieces of hyperspace, the world around me starts to vibrate, my body begins to vibrate, I close my eyes, and then I start to see 'it', bleeding over, fragmenting seamlessly into my closed eye-scape, no in it's entirety per say, but extremely VIVID snapshots of hyperspace, 3-4 seconds give or take. Music I feel plays a huge role, in some mysterious way..

One other technique that i've employed over these past few years (that I was telepathically conveyed) is doing things, putting myself in experiences, that when fully immersed in those experiences, I begin to well up from the inside, everything drops away, I find complete peace/joy, then I become flooded once again, usually moreso than if I were to just play one of those key songs. Memories come back, snippets of that ever-transforming oneness that is always there, literal visions of hyperspace for brief moments in my thought stream. In some moments ill close my eyes...and im right THERE, in sync.....in the flow.

I feel putting yourself in experiences throughout life, that you LOVE and have PASSION for, those will link you directly, over time. More immersion, coupled with experiences that bring you into the 'now'/ things that your passionate about, I feel, will inevitably build a bridge over time, where hyperspace won't seem so distant any longer...as it's always been here..
 
Here is something that could possibly play into our ability to fully recollect the experience.

It's called State-dependent learning. Link State-dependent learning Wiki

This could be why as soon as we are there again, it's like; OH YEAH!!! THIS AGAIN!!!! HOW COULD I EVER FORGET THIS??? At least that has been a consistent feeling of mine.

I first came to learn about the phenomenon when talking with a friend of mine while a little more than fairly drunk about a new album from one of our favorite artists coming out. The next day I remembered vaguely that there was something that I was extremely stoked about, but for my life couldn't remember what. I got drunk again later that night (hey, it was the weekend) and after a threshold level of drunk, I suddenly remembered: hey, I remember now; new Squarepusher!!!!!

Many valid points have been brought up so far, and I suspect the veracity of our recollection is influenced by many of these points.
 
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