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The Invasive Tree of Life.

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NorthernExplorer90

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Hi Fellow Nexians

After doing a bit of searching of what is in my local area and state I came across these two pages:

Now as this is an introduced pest and quite invasive it is our moral obligation to hunt down these trees and liberate our natives! As it says: Class A (to be eradicated)

Laters
NTEX 8)
 
Edit: I'm gonna try writing that in a different way.

What do you guys think about invasive species not being an issue? It seems to me that the notion of invasive species is sort of...weird. Are we to think that the earth stays the same for its entire life? No we know it doesn't work like that. Some species are not always stationary. They move. They migrate. They spread and/or change locations. Not only that, but new species emerge. They bring changes to the environment where they live and this sometimes results in other species who previously thrived there to die off. So who says that's a problem?

In order for the earth to change, certain things must die for the new things to exist how and where they do. Just how it goes, right?


The way I see it, they are not a problem. Nature does not make mistakes. It is all one. One species surviving and thriving over another is not a win/loss situation in the 'eyes' of nature.

And I'm including those that are spread by humans. We are a part of nature just like the insects, winds, and waters that assist any species in their migrations.


Seems weird to call them invasive and see them as problems to be fixed....like it's our duty to keep the environments around us exactly how they are at this moment, and not let any new species in. Very...very weird to me.


PS. I apologize in advance for sort of getting off the topic...it just caught my eye and I've wanted to speak my mind on the invasive specie issue for a long time and haven't had the opportunity, nor made one - so it just kind of came out here n now. <3
 
I see what you mean. Everything is unfolding as it should sort of thinking. I get this from ayahuasca.

I would disagree though on one thing, humans being part of nature. While some humans are part of nature, most people I know are totally divorced from it. A person who is really part of nature gets everything from nature. For instance if one gets sick, one cures the sickness with some plant. On the other hand, when most people today get sick, they go to the pharmacy and get pills created by other humans. The food they eat comes from plants that are genetically modified by humans, etc.

I do understand where you're coming from on invasives though, which is why i don't feel bad planting vines here and there. I think the problem comes from the rate of change, which is orders of magnitude faster than nature itself could produce. My problem with the invasives around here is that the only reason they were brought here is for they're looks. It would be nice if they had other uses as well.

No need to apologize, I enjoy thinking about these types if things.
 
BundleflowerPower said:
I would disagree though on one thing, humans being part of nature. While some humans are part of nature, most people I know are totally divorced from it. A person who is really part of nature gets everything from nature. For instance if one gets sick, one cures the sickness with some plant. On the other hand, when most people today get sick, they go to the pharmacy and get pills created by other humans. The food they eat comes from plants that are genetically modified by humans, etc.
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It depends on your definitions...how you define and thus perceive nature. IMO, nothing is separate from nature. Nature is all. The nature you speak of I know; I understand what you mean...though again, that is a human defined section of life. The nature I speak of is what all life is found in - whether it seems to be in alignment with that part of life that you define as nature or not. It is the same thing, except in your picture you draw a line between modern mainstream human life and the rest of it...but perhaps that's sort of like a slug drawing a line between nature and snails since they create shells in a way that the rest of nature couldn't do on its own...? My point is, humans as a whole are a newer part of nature - whether we're in alignment with the rest of the natural world or not. (IMO) Do I think certain things should carry on as they are, further damaging the planet? Definitely not...but, does that mean those things or the species engaging in them are separate from nature? Not in my book...hell, a meteor from space that would wipe away all life on earth is more dangerous than anything humans could do and absolutely out of alignment with the good of the living physical forms on earth, yet it is part of nature right?



BundleflowerPower said:
No need to apologize, I enjoy thinking about these types if things.
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Awesome me too. :)


BundleflowerPower said:
Btw I just got some acacia nilotica seeds in the mail yesterday, just planted some.
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Awesome again. See, the way I see it, we're a part of nature that has the mental capacity to decide to plant species in new places according to our desires - and thus, the desires of nature on some level. We can be, in a way, a new type of mechanism for the evolution of the state of things on earth - and drawing that line that you speak of can be helpful to contrast ways of modern humans with the ways of the rest of the natural world, allowing us to consciously make moves that not only serve our wants/needs/desires, but moves that work in harmony with the rest of nature. Or not. It'll all work out however it does.

But whether or not we do that, we are still part of nature. (again IMO :p )
 
I don't see "invasive" species as invasive.

I see them as opportunistic, and sometimes just volunteers to be on the font lines of ecological restoration..included in that is the health of the human population. Many of the ailments of modern human culture have herbal cures growing as "invasives" in disturbed areas and close to human habitation.
 
I really can't disagree with you guys. I guess sometimes I feel bad for native plants. But now that I think about it, Jamie is right, the invasives are much more opportunistic about re-conquering disturbed areas, setting the stage for the natives to come back.

I love the slug analogy btw
 
@ northernexplorer
I think doing ones duty in the name of conservation more than applies in this situation :p
One man's trash is another man's treasure.
 
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