The logistics of extracting DMT in the wild.

[Psilosopher?]

So, I plan to move into a mountain cave once I publish a few research papers. I plan to stay there indefinitely. I'm bringing plenty of psychedelic plants with me. Ganja seeds, mushroom spore prints, a vial of LSD that I will make myself, Salvia divinorum seeds, a peyote cactus seeds, a DMT containing plant (probably Mimosa hostilis) and a harmala alkaloid MAOI plant (most like B. caapi).

I've been thinking of how I could run an extraction in the mountains, where I will have no contact with society. I was thinking of an STB cook using an alkaline solution made of limestone. For the solvent, I was thinking of making d-limonene from oranges, but I'd need a shit ton of oranges and a proper distillation set up. I've looked up other natural non-polar solvents, but there isn't anything I can use.

The idea of using limestone is purely theoretical, I have not tried it (but I definitely will before I leave). Would this work? I plan on testing various extraction methods using only reagents directly from nature. I'll post the results as a survival tek. If it's not possible to extract DMT, I'll always be able to make aya.

Also, is there any DMT containing plants that can survive a snowy climate? The only possible contenders seem to be Phalaris aquatica and Desmanthus leptoblus.

I'm going to have to plan A LOT for this, both for my own survival and to cultivate entheogens. Any help or advice will be greatly appreciated.

 

[endlessness]

What about the vinegar/sodium carb/alcohol tek?

Also if you're gonna be looking for plants in the wild that potentially have dmt, id get a tlc kit to know for sure or at least a couple of reagents like ehrlich and mandelin or mecke.

 

[Psilosopher?]

What about the vinegar/sodium carb/alcohol tek?

Also if you're gonna be looking for plants in the wild that potentially have dmt, id get a tlc kit to know for sure or at least a couple of reagents like ehrlich and mandelin or mecke.

I had a good read of your tek. Trouble is, I wont have a source for any of those reagents. Unless I make them myself. But that means I have to distill my own alcohol, which is way too much work given all the other stuff I need to do.

I'm not looking for wild plants, I'll be cultivating my own.

 

[endlessness]

Why not bringing it? I dont understand if you bring plants why cant you bring extraction supplies too? Its not like you wont find vinegar in any shop on your way. Sodium carb can be easily made from sodium bicarb too which should be easy to source. You can try using vodka instead of alcohol, only thing is it will take longer to evap and will bring across some inactive salts which you can wash away with water to get your dmt like amor fatis clean up after converting to dmt freebase.

 

[Psilosopher?]

Why not bringing it? I dont understand if you bring plants why cant you bring extraction supplies too? Its not like you wont find vinegar in any shop on your way. Sodium carb can be easily made from sodium bicarb too which should be easy to source. You can try using vodka instead of alcohol, only thing is it will take longer to evap and will bring across some inactive salts which you can wash away with water to get your dmt like amor fatis clean up after converting to dmt freebase.

I'll be really far away from civilisation. I'll be living in total isolation. That's why it'd be a bit troublesome to source those reagents.

 

[SpathiEluder]

Why not bringing it? I dont understand if you bring plants why cant you bring extraction supplies too? Its not like you wont find vinegar in any shop on your way. Sodium carb can be easily made from sodium bicarb too which should be easy to source. You can try using vodka instead of alcohol, only thing is it will take longer to evap and will bring across some inactive salts which you can wash away with water to get your dmt like amor fatis clean up after converting to dmt freebase.

Hm Endlessness, I read it that he really means indefinitely or at least so long that those reagents will eventually run out and will no longer have a means to procure them.


**** EDIT, and sorry, Bodhi replied 1 minute before I did hehe

 

[Nathanial.Dread]

There's a reason that pretty much all civilizations developed chemistry AFTER a bunch of other technologies.

How do you plan to smoke this DMT you extract anyway? No lighters in the wilderness.

I think your best bet is oral preparations. Alternately, extract a lifetime's supply now and bring it with you? If you're bringing LSD, DMT should also be acceptable.

Good luck making the L btw. That's not kitchen chemistry.

Blessings
~ND

 

[pitubo]

You've got to be joking.. and it's almost a month early for april fools.

Anyway, you should really try to live in a mountain cave for some time and see how you can survive at all. Don't forget to bring some kind of back-up plan for in case things don't work out as well as you hoped and you need to evacuate under adverse conditions. Make sure you got those basics worked out before even contemplating to use mind altering substances in an environment that is not exactly supportive to your well-being as a vulnerable human.

The only sensible thing to grow/manufacture in a mountain cave would be mushrooms.

Limestone is no good for STB extractions, it is not alkaline enough. I doubt if it would even work in A/B extractions. You could theoretically try to calcine it into burnt lime.

Good luck making the L btw. That's not kitchen chemistry.

And certainly not cave chemistry, which I find quite a funny term actually. I'm going to try to remember that for designating extremely rudimentary extraction methods.

 

[Intezam]

we'd say: (also) extract this and take it with you

 

[null24]

This is quote the plan bhodi. I take it you are an experienced and accomplished outdoorsperson. Do you have another thread outlining your plan more fully? I'm interested for curiosity sake.

What about food? If you intend to harvest wild, youllbe full time foraging, and if you plan to store through winter- well even more work. Do you eat fish/meat and do you know how to fish/hunt/ clean game? What about clean water? Even mountain streams can have nasty microorganisms in it. What part of the world? I take it mountainous territory? There are so many considerations, I'm sure you've done your research and have contingency and emergency plans and supplies.

Nature is a fickle and brutal mistress, to get that close to her takes some serious guts. If you seriously want to do this, and can do so in a personally responsible, safe way (I don't agree with suiciding for others to clean up) then you have my respect!

How often have any of us threatened to do something like this?

I know we don't do synthesis talk here, but is this going to be a cave acid lab? I mean, you're doing that before you go, right? I don't know how you'd do that in a cave without some trained squirrels helping out or something.

I really dig my heat, plumbing and electricity.

 

[dreamer042]

Salvia divinorum seeds

Salvia setting seed is extremely rare, getting them to sprout is even moar rare, and this plant will most certainly die in cold temperatures.

a DMT containing plant (probably Mimosa hostilis) and a harmala alkaloid MAOI plant (most like B. caapi).

Again cold temperatures will kill these plants.

Also, is there any DMT containing plants that can survive a snowy climate? The only possible contenders seem to be Phalaris aquatica and Desmanthus leptoblus.

Neither of these plants will tolerate freeze. The cold hardy varieties are Phalaris arundinacea and Desmanthus illinoiensis,

You've got to be joking.. and it's almost a month early for april fools.

^ This

On a practical level, I'd say the the best bet for DIY solvent (short of distilling) would be to get an oil press and use it to press your own vegetable/seed oils.

 

[Koornut]

Are you planning on heading into the snowy mountains? Or Tasmania?
I think there may be issue with the legality of squatting in national parks.
Also, the desert is more survivable that the mountains at least in Australia, the natives have a treasure trove of wisdom on the subject of 'bush tucker'

The Bush Tucker Survival Guide - Bush Tucker Plant Food

The Bush Tucker Survival Guide - A description of many Australian bush tucker plant foods of the Sydney region, and how to use them in wilderness survival.

www.survival.org.au

 

[Psilosopher?]

There's a reason that pretty much all civilizations developed chemistry AFTER a bunch of other technologies.

How do you plan to smoke this DMT you extract anyway? No lighters in the wilderness.

I think your best bet is oral preparations. Alternately, extract a lifetime's supply now and bring it with you? If you're bringing LSD, DMT should also be acceptable.

Good luck making the L btw. That's not kitchen chemistry.

Blessings
~ND

I've smoked bongs with lit sticks before. It's not hard.

Oral preparations are my backup plan. A lifetimes supply of DMT would be a lot bulkier than a lifetimes supply of LSD. I have to consider that too.

You've got to be joking.. and it's almost a month early for april fools.

Anyway, you should really try to live in a mountain cave for some time and see how you can survive at all. Don't forget to bring some kind of back-up plan for in case things don't work out as well as you hoped and you need to evacuate under adverse conditions. Make sure you got those basics worked out before even contemplating to use mind altering substances in an environment that is not exactly supportive to your well-being as a vulnerable human.

The only sensible thing to grow/manufacture in a mountain cave would be mushrooms.

Limestone is no good for STB extractions, it is not alkaline enough. I doubt if it would even work in A/B extractions. You could theoretically try to calcine it into burnt lime.

Good luck making the L btw. That's not kitchen chemistry.

And certainly not cave chemistry, which I find quite a funny term actually. I'm going to try to remember that for designating extremely rudimentary extraction methods.

I plan on using psychs after I've established myself, which means food, water and shelter.

I wasn't hopeful on extracting DMT in the wild, that's why I posited this thread.

we'd say: (also) extract this and take it with you

Thanks a lot. Song is very appropriate.

This is quote the plan bhodi. I take it you are an experienced and accomplished outdoorsperson. Do you have another thread outlining your plan more fully? I'm interested for curiosity sake.

What about food? If you intend to harvest wild, youllbe full time foraging, and if you plan to store through winter- well even more work. Do you eat fish/meat and do you know how to fish/hunt/ clean game? What about clean water? Even mountain streams can have nasty microorganisms in it. What part of the world? I take it mountainous territory? There are so many considerations, I'm sure you've done your research and have contingency and emergency plans and supplies.

Nature is a fickle and brutal mistress, to get that close to her takes some serious guts. If you seriously want to do this, and can do so in a personally responsible, safe way (I don't agree with suiciding for others to clean up) then you have my respect!

How often have any of us threatened to do something like this?

I know we don't do synthesis talk here, but is this going to be a cave acid lab? I mean, you're doing that before you go, right? I don't know how you'd do that in a cave without some trained squirrels helping out or something.

I really dig my heat, plumbing and electricity.

I spend a lot of time outdoors. I know what I'm doing. I have my plans in my head, and will flesh it out in the near future. This isn't something that is going to happen this year. More like in 5 years.

For food, I'll be spending a lot of time transporting food from civilisation to my hermitage, for storage. I'll calculate enough to last me until I can eat what I grow.

As to the location, the plan is to walk from my village in rural Bangladesh up to Lhasa, Tibet. It'll take me a while, and I'll help people out with odd jobs for food along the way. However, I'm flexible, and am willing to change the final destination to accommodate all my needs, mainly on the cultivation end. Other possible destinations are Thimpu Bhutan, Chittagong Bangladesh, or Arunachal Pradesh India.

I don't believe in suicide. I'm doing this for complete and utter liberation. I aim to release my societal tethers.

This is not a threat. It's a decision. There's no angst or ill will towards society. It's just something I need to do.

For acid, I will be synthesising enough to last me a lifetime. I'm a scientist by profession, and the process isn't too hard. Getting the precursor is the most difficult part.

Salvia divinorum seeds

Salvia setting seed is extremely rare, getting them to sprout is even moar rare, and this plant will most certainly die in cold temperatures.

a DMT containing plant (probably Mimosa hostilis) and a harmala alkaloid MAOI plant (most like B. caapi).

Again cold temperatures will kill these plants.

Also, is there any DMT containing plants that can survive a snowy climate? The only possible contenders seem to be Phalaris aquatica and Desmanthus leptoblus.

Neither of these plants will tolerate freeze. The cold hardy varieties are Phalaris arundinacea and Desmanthus illinoiensis,

You've got to be joking.. and it's almost a month early for april fools.

^ This

On a practical level, I'd say the the best bet for DIY solvent (short of distilling) would be to get an oil press and use it to press your own vegetable/seed oils.

Salvia is just something on my wishlist.

I probably wont be going to the cold mountains then. It's too limiting in terms of growing crops and entheogens.

I'm not joking about any of this.

I've had a look at people's results with olive oil and the like. It's definitely something to consider.

Are you planning on heading into the snowy mountains? Or Tasmania?
I think there may be issue with the legality of squatting in national parks.
Also, the desert is more survivable that the mountains at least in Australia, the natives have a treasure trove of wisdom on the subject of 'bush tucker'

The Bush Tucker Survival Guide - Bush Tucker Plant Food

The Bush Tucker Survival Guide - A description of many Australian bush tucker plant foods of the Sydney region, and how to use them in wilderness survival.

www.survival.org.au

Going to Asia.

 

[Koornut]

Fantastic man! Good luck, and I look forward to hearing about it

 

[Biawak]

I grew up in rural Alaska. Parents had some interesting ideas about getting away from society.

Also been to Asia a couple of times and I am one to go off the beaten path. Biawak is an Indonesian word for monitor lizards.

I'd bet you will be too busy trying not to die to do much "cave chemistry".

 

[pitubo]

Bodhisativa I wish you the best of luck with your venture and I did not want to doubt your abilities to plan and execute it.

However, when you write:

I've been thinking of how I could run an extraction in the mountains, where I will have no contact with society.

I cannot help wondering how you would seriously propose doing that using only locally available means. Consider having a "base camp" in the nearest civilized place, where you can periodically return to arrange and perform extractions.

In any case, don't underestimate the mountains, they can be unpredictable, harsh and unforgiving.

 

[Doc Buxin]

Going to Asia.

That is a brilliant plan...I love it!!!

I've pulled off similar situations & would tend to go more towards tropical, southeast Asian mountains...They're a much more conducive enviroment when it comes to growing what you need.

However, I have also lived in the Alaskan wilderness off moose, salmon, fireweed, birch bark tea & a lot of LSD...It worked...It simply takes some mad outdoor skills along with chopping a lot of firewood before the winter snows set in, which for me was never a problem...I enjoy the solitude & Mother Nature keeping me on my toes; one moment of not being aware could be my last; it's a good way to meditate.


Peace.

 

[null24]

This is not a threat. It's a decision. There's no angst or ill will towards society. It's just something I need to do.

I did not use the word. "threat" in a negative sense, I meant how many of us have wanted to do what you're planning but are unwilling to let go and aim for, as you say, total liberation? I know I'm guilty.

Peace, friend, be good to you, and more power to you!!

 

[Dimitrius]

It may be low tech, but I have had blissful success with simply cold-soaking mimosa powder in lemon/lime juice, with just enough to cover it.

80ml can hold the extractives from at least 50-60g.

I assume that Acacia, Chacruna or Chaliponga can be prepared in a similar manner, once dried & finely powdered [sun-dried & powered in between clean stones].

My method, so far, has been to simply swish this around in my mouth, in an effort to gain the solo Jurema. So far, I have only swished a low dose, with the effect of my cerebral-sphere being awash with colorful visions.

I was, however, recently overwhelmed by taking around 5-6g of this [measured by the ml] with 200mg of purified Harmine.....and I mean like wO_Oah-verwhelmed. I was almost obliterated, and tooootally not ready for it. One of those where you swear you'll never do it again & say I'm sorry a thousand times over.

Wrong plant/extract combination & dosage for me, I assume.

I'm sure [advancing a guess], that a simple lemon & /or lime soak would work well for any of the plants we use for such ventures.

So....maybe consider growing some fruit trees as well, for both nourishment, and as catalytic solvents for evolutionary agents.

 

[Psilosopher?]

It may be low tech, but I have had blissful success with simply cold-soaking mimosa powder in lemon/lime juice, with just enough to cover it.

80ml can hold the extractives from at least 50-60g.

I assume that Acacia, Chacruna or Chaliponga can be prepared in a similar manner, once dried & finely powdered [sun-dried & powered in between clean stones].

My method, so far, has been to simply swish this around in my mouth, in an effort to gain the solo Jurema. So far, I have only swished a low dose, with the effect of my cerebral-sphere being awash with colorful visions.

I was, however, recently overwhelmed by taking around 5-6g of this [measured by the ml] with 200mg of purified Harmine.....and I mean like wO_Oah-verwhelmed. I was almost obliterated, and tooootally not ready for it. One of those where you swear you'll never do it again & say I'm sorry a thousand times over.

Wrong plant/extract combination & dosage for me, I assume.

I'm sure [advancing a guess], that a simple lemon & /or lime soak would work well for any of the plants we use for such ventures.

So....maybe consider growing some fruit trees as well, for both nourishment, and as catalytic solvents for evolutionary agents.

Nice! I'll definitely be planting some fruit trees, especially citrus.