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I was thinking more along the lines of things like:

Meditation
Yoga
Drumming
Singing
Dancing

And so on. What Sand is talking about is using these and related techniques to deepen the both the psychedelic trips and the techniques themselves.

Based on my experience with meditating on psychedelics, I’ve learned it is possible to deepen the visionary experience by activity, so the experience is no longer a passive event. I know that if I sit down and meditate for an hour and a half on ayahuasca, I will begin to have visions and experiences far deeper than I would have if I didn’t.

Similarly, people who train shamanically in South America report that after you sing/drum/whatever for hours, you start seeing things you never would if you just drank ayahuasca and sat back and waited. There is an active component which technique can facilitate in a way that is predictable and repeatable in general ways. I say general because the visions you have will be different every time, BUT the ability to bring on the deeper states via these activities in general is predictable.

Even taking a higher dose will not succeed in bringing these kinds of experiences on, it really does require this sort of technical engagement. Nick Sand is dead on point here, and I really believe that now that wide access and medicalization are becoming realities, this is the next thing that needs to come to general awareness. It already is, sort of. Ayahuasqueros have reputations. But even if we don’t become full blown Shipibo shamans, I think we can learn some tricks that can deepen our experiences, just like people who are not monks or Hindu ascetics can learn meditation and yoga asanas.

I still think the final mission is teaching technique, and that this is not yet really seriously a part of Western psychedelic culture the way it is in Mestizo/Latin American indigenous cultures - but it can be. We may not become Shipibo shamans... but I think we can still learn some things, and make our psychedelic culture more intentional and technique-oriented. I just use the word “shaman” to distinguish where the technique comes from. Yogic vs. shamanic are names I am using as place holders for families of techniques from different cultures that can be practiced while tripping that deepen psychedelic experiences.

<blockquote data-quote="OneIsEros" data-source="post: 3860195" data-attributes="member: 37513">I was thinking more along the lines of things like:MeditationYogaDrummingSingingDancingAnd so on. What Sand is talking about is using these and related techniques to deepen the both the psychedelic trips and the techniques themselves.Based on my experience with meditating on psychedelics, I’ve learned it is possible to deepen the visionary experience by activity, so the experience is no longer a passive event. I know that if I sit down and meditate for an hour and a half on ayahuasca, I will begin to have visions and experiences far deeper than I would have if I didn’t.Similarly, people who train shamanically in South America report that after you sing/drum/whatever for hours, you start seeing things you never would if you just drank ayahuasca and sat back and waited. There is an active component which technique can facilitate in a way that is predictable and repeatable in general ways. I say general because the visions you have will be different every time, BUT the ability to bring on the deeper states via these activities in general is predictable.Even taking a higher dose will not succeed in bringing these kinds of experiences on, it really does require this sort of technical engagement. Nick Sand is dead on point here, and I really believe that now that wide access and medicalization are becoming realities, this is the next thing that needs to come to general awareness. It already is, sort of. Ayahuasqueros have reputations. But even if we don’t become full blown Shipibo shamans, I think we can learn some tricks that can deepen our experiences, just like people who are not monks or Hindu ascetics can learn meditation and yoga asanas.I still think the final mission is teaching technique, and that this is not yet really seriously a part of Western psychedelic culture the way it is in Mestizo/Latin American indigenous cultures - but it can be. We may not become Shipibo shamans... but I think we can still learn some things, and make our psychedelic culture more intentional and technique-oriented. I just use the word “shaman” to distinguish where the technique comes from. Yogic vs. shamanic are names I am using as place holders for families of techniques from different cultures that can be practiced while tripping that deepen psychedelic experiences.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="OneIsEros, post: 3860195, member: 37513"] I was thinking more along the lines of things like: Meditation Yoga Drumming Singing Dancing And so on. What Sand is talking about is using these and related techniques to deepen the both the psychedelic trips and the techniques themselves. Based on my experience with meditating on psychedelics, I’ve learned it is possible to deepen the visionary experience by activity, so the experience is no longer a passive event. I know that if I sit down and meditate for an hour and a half on ayahuasca, I will begin to have visions and experiences far deeper than I would have if I didn’t. Similarly, people who train shamanically in South America report that after you sing/drum/whatever for hours, you start seeing things you never would if you just drank ayahuasca and sat back and waited. There is an active component which technique can facilitate in a way that is predictable and repeatable in general ways. I say general because the visions you have will be different every time, BUT the ability to bring on the deeper states via these activities in general is predictable. Even taking a higher dose will not succeed in bringing these kinds of experiences on, it really does require this sort of technical engagement. Nick Sand is dead on point here, and I really believe that now that wide access and medicalization are becoming realities, this is the next thing that needs to come to general awareness. It already is, sort of. Ayahuasqueros have reputations. But even if we don’t become full blown Shipibo shamans, I think we can learn some tricks that can deepen our experiences, just like people who are not monks or Hindu ascetics can learn meditation and yoga asanas. I still think the final mission is teaching technique, and that this is not yet really seriously a part of Western psychedelic culture the way it is in Mestizo/Latin American indigenous cultures - but it can be. We may not become Shipibo shamans... but I think we can still learn some things, and make our psychedelic culture more intentional and technique-oriented. I just use the word “shaman” to distinguish where the technique comes from. Yogic vs. shamanic are names I am using as place holders for families of techniques from different cultures that can be practiced while tripping that deepen psychedelic experiences. [/QUOTE]