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The Nexus Community Acacia Confusa NN-DMT Tek (pure NN, no NMT)

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First off, much respect and gratitude to Mindbody for helping us learn about the "Thinking of Each Other Tree", Thank You. :)

Mindbody is the Nexus member who began the work of testing and sharing his experiences with the Nexus community.


As a matter of fact, it is Mindbody who translated 相思樹 to "Thinking of each other Tree" which is a beautiful translation.
Everyone should read Mindbody's groundbreaking thread. This, is a new thread focusing on separating NN-DMT from NMT:

TTRB contains 1.15% NN-DMT :) (But also contains 1.43% NMT) :(

So folks, how can one isolate the NN-DMT without the NMT?

lycaeum.org said:
phytochemical studies:

* Study of the composition of the root bark of the Thoughtful Tree, Liu et al, Chemistry (Chinese Chemical Soc, Taiwan) #1:15-16, 1977.

Root bark of this species was found to contain some %2.58 total alakloid, of which %55.25 was reported as N-methyltryptamine, and %44.75 reported as N,N-dimethyltryptamine. Notes that it has a history of use in Traditional Chinese Medicine for fever, inflammation and for diseases of the blood. Currently the highest specific record of N,N-dimethyltryptamine content from any plant material published ever, about %1.15 total of (NN)DMT.

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Thoughtful Tree
a.k.a. "Thinking of Each Other Tree"
a.k.a. Acacia Confusa
a.k.a. A. confusa
a.k.a. Formosa Acacia
a.k.a. Formosan Acacia
a.k.a. Formosa Koa
a.k.a. Formosan Koa
a.k.a. Taiwan Acacia
a.k.a. Small Philippine Acacia
a.k.a. Acacia Petit Feuille
a.k.a. Pilampwoia
a.k.a. Boiffuring
a.k.a. Lanangi
a.k.a. Ianangi
a.k.a. Ianángi
a.k.a. Serepa
a.k.a. Shoshigi
a.k.a. Soschghi
a.k.a. Sosigi
a.k.a. Sosugi
a.k.a. Yanangi
a.k.a. Acacia richii
a.k.a. Racosperma confusum
a.k.a. "Mimosa" (just in Seychelles)
a.k.a. 相思樹
a.k.a. 相思仔
a.k.a. 香絲樹
a.k.a. 台灣相思
a.k.a. 臺灣相思
a.k.a. 細葉相思樹
a.k.a. 假葉豆
a.k.a. 排灣

Hardiness:
USDA Zone 9a: to -6.6 °C (20 °F)
USDA Zone 9b: to -3.8 °C (25 °F)
USDA Zone 10a: to -1.1 °C (30 °F)
USDA Zone 10b: to 1.7 °C (35 °F)
USDA Zone 11: above 4.5 °C (40 °F)

Soil pH requirements:
5.6 to 6.0 (acidic)
6.1 to 6.5 (mildly acidic)
6.6 to 7.5 (neutral)



Again: TTRB contains 1.15% NN-DMT :) (But also contains 1.43% NMT) :(

Again: Let's think, how can one isolate the NN-DMT without the NMT?

A dreamer wants to extract the NN-DMT molecules using Vinegar, Pickling Lime, and pure Naphtha.
His goal is to isolate pure NN-DMT for vaporizing, he doesn't want any NMT (N-Methyltryptamine).

Any kind advice? :?:
 
Ya said:
So folks, how can one isolate the NN-DMT without the NMT?
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This is an interesting chemical problem, good luck with that!

(My own thinking has been quite the opposite though, for I love all things natural. So I was thinking of simply extracting the acacia root bark to ethanol, evaporating, basifying with lime, depositing on leaves and smoking. If this works, it would be an enormously simple all-natural smoking technique...)
 
I was thinking about this recently as I am about to do some experimental extractions on this species from taiwan to quantify percentage amounts of nn DMT in various parts of the plant(root/trunk/leaves) and to get some spice to smoke :d .
I have already seen some accounts of percentages online but think more measurements will help confirm this,if the numbers are right then that means that this plant has a higher percentage than any other plant and is wideley available in certain pats of the world.

It croseed my mind that maybe the plant is converting the nmt into dmt since it is a simpler version of nn dmt perhaps it is a precusre to nn dmt?

I wonder how one could convert N Methyltryptamine into NN Dimethyltrypamine in the lab?Somehow adding another methyline chain to the molecule would perhaps convert it to dimethyltryptamine?.Im just not too sure of the chemicals one would need to go about this.

This only matters if the nmt is being pulled along with dmt when one does his/her naphtha pulls.Im guessing the nmt is also pulled along so it may be in the extract,but knowing nmt's solubility and ph could help.More work is needed to who know how to do the conversion that the plant does naturally,If that is what is happening.
 
Like extracting DMT from most anything else with NMT in it, if you do the first few pulls carefully at lower temperatures and freeze precipitate the solvent, you should not get much NMT at all. It's when there isn't enough DMT in the mix to saturate the solvent that you start getting NMT and oils in there.

NMT is insoluble in certain solents that DMT readily dissolves in, which can be useful in retrieving DMT from crude extracts. Hexane is particularly useful for this.
Some information on this can be found here: Psychedelic Compounds Chemical and Physical Properties - DMT-Nexus Wiki

Also, you may want to check out some information and experience reports on NMT. It can be a really amazing substance that many people enjoy greatly (in fact, many people prefer DMT with a bit of NMT).
 
There was a certain reaction that allowed DMT to be separated from NMT quite easily.
Somebody posted it on the Nexus somewhere, some time ago. it was one of these reactions
named after the scientists that discovered it.

I found the topic. Here's a quote from that Topic that will interrest you:
ChemisTryptaMan said:
"Eschweiler–Clarke reaction, look this one up, it can convert NMT to DMT with commonly available reagents. This way you actually convert all your NMT to DMT."
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Here's the rest of the Topic: What does your ACRB extract look like? - DMT Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
I guess that Eschweiler-Clarke reaction is exactly what you're looking for. I'm not sure if it's as
easy as I remember, or wether this reaction requires skills/knowledge/equipment beyond the scope of
the average kitchen Chemist. You'll have to check that out. but according to ChemisTryptaMan
the nececairy reagents are commonly available.
 
Ya said:
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So folks, how can one isolate the NN-DMT without the NMT?
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Just wondering why you actually want to? NMT has its own interesting qualities that add to the experience.. the only thing I find is I need a larger dose than purer dmt extract.. but who's complaining when the yield is bigger anyways due to the presence of the nmt. I think this teacher probably has it in there for a reason ;)
 
Ya wrote:
As a matter of fact, it is Mindbody who translated 相思樹 to "Thinking of each other Tree" which is a beautiful translation.
Everyone should read Mindbody's groundbreaking thread. This, is a new thread focusing on separating NN-DMT from NMT:

TTRB contains 1.15% NN-DMT (But also contains 1.43% NMT)

So folks, how can one isolate the NN-DMT without the NMT?
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..then you no longer have the 'Thinking of Each Other Tree' as it presents itself in nature..
you would have DMT taken from confusa, but not Acacia confusa extract..!

..if you can achieve Chromatography you can fairly easily separate them (this was covered in the entheogenic effects of nmt thread), but this is not something most nexians will have the time or lab technique to do..
but i can say from experience, you will be left with DMT and something missing..
personally i prefer DMT to be in combination with NMT than on its own..

why not just find a different tree/plant if just DMT is that crucial..?
 
This tek will remove all the NMT using easily accessible chemicals:

Another way of partitioning 1° and 2° amines from 3° amines


It can also be done by forming the carbamate of nmt, which should precipitate when CO2 is bubbled through the solution comme ca:

How to remove NMT from extractions
 
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