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The Nexus Community Phalaris NN-DMT Tek (pure NN, no 5-MeO)

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Evening Glory said:
Just a heads up, don't use the products obtained from Phalaris arundinacea orally. It contains exceptionally high amounts of gramine, sometimes as high as 0.3%. Gramine is actually often the major alkaloid. That is way higher than in other tryptamine bearing grasses. The gramine is not likely to cause any harm when vaporized at low temperatures, as it does not melt before 138-139 C, compared to 40-59 C for DMT. But orally, it will at best give you an allergic reaction, at worst brain damage. This also means that the product obtained from P. arundinacea never should be smoked in a pipe, joint or similar or vaporized in a VaporGenie. Only a vaporizer where you can set the temperature will be sufficient. At least for the time being, until we know more about gramine and if it survives the extraction.
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neuro_rocket said:
I remember a tek that SWIM was working on (here, Seperating Alkaloids - Advanced/Enhanced chemistry - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus) where 69ron suggested using warm Heptane to separate the DMT from the Gramine. The Heptane would pull the DMT but leave the gramine.
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69ron said:
DMT and 5-MeO-DMT have radically different melting points. They can be vaporized at different temperatures and easily separated that way. I believe an easy way to do that is to put the two in a solvent that boils at 80 C like DMT does and another solvent that boils at like 160 C or so. The DMT will carry over with the solvent that boils at 80 C and I think it will condense with the solvent, but the 5-MeO-DMT will not because it vaporizes at a much higher temperature, I think something like 160 C? As soon as the distillation temperature goes up to about 100 C, you turn the system off. I’m not sure if this will work in reality though.
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benzyme said:
phalaris extraction is more involved, since it has other alkaloids and plant lipids. getting white crystals from that would be more impressive. the extraction would likely have a resinous texture. the compounds can be relatively easily separated by boiling points. an IR therm (these can be acquired for around $30) can be used to monitor the temp of the heated glass vessel, and the product is collected on some sort of coldfinger condenser. this can be improvised like so (in this case, a filtration flask is the vessel, the coldfinger condenser is a test tube with crushed ice)
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the money one spends on root bark could be spent getting equipped. grasses are free in most areas.
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Dorge said:
The future of phalaris is the future of the nexus...
this work is very very important.
more people need to be wrapping their heads around this one.
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I have been saying this for months now..I always have some grass extracting but havent come up with more than mildy active oxidish looking orange goo yet, but it is active..and distincly DMTish.

Im not sure that this pink grass is that you are referring to?
 
i have been successful somewhat with p. brachystachy...but growing enough grass can be rather tricky....needs more money for more seeds...but FASI on dlimo that was used to extract from 3 grams of grass DID work..it was dmt-ish but it lasted longer and was a bit different

once i have enough grass extract around i will try sublimating the stuff for PURE dmt
 
Ya said:
About pink "Phalaris Arundinacea Tricolor - Similar to 'Arundinacea Picta' but has a Pinkish/Purple flush"

By the way, whether or not this new pinkish/purplish mutation marks extra DMT is not the main point.

The main point is the Phalaris genus in general: we need to discover how to isolate the pure NN-DMT. :)
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that's some lovely looking grass.
as far as isolating the pure n,n, jorkest has the right idea. the boiling points are significantly different enough that sublimation would effectively separate n,n from gramine and 5-MeO. sublime, rinse the coldfinger with warm heptane, and freeze precip...voila...pure n,n.
 
Ya said:
@B_N: What? You didn't get the memo? It will be illegal, worldwide, to transport mimosa, from exactly 12:01am... someday.

Of course that's mere speculation, but probably true: the transportation of mimosa will be made illegal worldwide someday.

Even before that day comes, right now when someone sends you mimosa, your home address is probably being marked.

But this does not mean we should start arguing about when this day will come, we just need to create the Phalaris tek.

As Einstein said, "Intellectuals solve problems, geniuses prevent them." Continuing to receive mimosa by mail is a risk.

As Fractal Enchantment and others have said already, let's prevent the problem by isolating NN-DMT from Phalaris. :)
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Well I never got any memo . Where is this information coming from.
 
freeze that freeze thaw...i hear that drying the grass is not the best way to go...it somehow reduces the yield from what info there is out there....or you could juice the grass...but the freeze thaw freeze thaw method seems to work....im gonna go colllect some phalaris today and get to work...im unsure as to wha tstrain i have found but i might as well get to work
 
benzyme said:
well, a dodgy crow has collected about a pound of fresh aquatica and is contemplating what to do next...
should he dry it, grind it, or freeze it? he may do the latter, but is up for suggestions
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Better freeze and extract when ready; SWIM had very limited success with dried phalaris.
 
Infundibulum said:
benzyme said:
well, a dodgy crow has collected about a pound of fresh aquatica and is contemplating what to do next...
should he dry it, grind it, or freeze it? he may do the latter, but is up for suggestions
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Better freeze and extract when ready; SWIM had very limited success with dried phalaris.
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Does that mean that SWIM did have success with phalaris that they froze? Did SWIM extract crystals?
 
funny you mention a wheat grass juicer...i recently harvested about 300g(didnt weigh) phalaris arun. that i have had growing outside my house for a few years(i planted the seeds so im positive on the ID)..then i ran all of it through a wheat grass juicer for about half a cup of liquid(which is much easier to deal with...i then basified with sodium hydroxide(im hoping gramine doesnt like high ph's but who knows?

then i added dlimonene and now all i have to do is separate and FASI the dlimo(ive lost my turkey baster somewhere)

the reason i did not defat is because Phlux- showed me a thread on another forum somewhere and it seems when they defatted the phalaris...that some of the dmt got pulled out in the fats...so i figure the FASI step will do the separation just fine(ive had success with it with brachystachy)

one thing i have noticed is that after juicing the grass and basifying it..the liquid separates into two layers...the bottom looks like green plant sludge which im guessing is chlorophyll and the other layer is a clear dark burgundy type color...then the yellow dlimo layer

when i first put the dlimo in and mixed...it was very cloudy after it separated...but its been sitting for about a week(still cant find my damn baster) and has cleared up tremendously...so after i pull the dlimo out im going to let it sit for awhile for any fine particles to settle out..then i will carefully decant and filter the dlimo and then add FASI..and see what happens

if im able to get around 200-300mg of something i will try to sublimate it(have yet to set the system up but really excited..had the stuff for a few years now)
 
ok so i pulled off the dlimo and filtered through a coffee filter just to make sure...then added about 3-4ml of FASI...first dropped there was immediate clouding..YAY...and now after a few hours there is some precips floating near the bottom of the jar..im gonna let it sit for awhile and see if it will stick...

i also just setup a small hydroponic system with an air pump and tubing and a bubbler type thing ..with some plastic pots with those clay ball things and dumped about a gram of some phalaris aquatica seeds onto it..and in another pot i put some questionable brachystachy seeds(unsure if they really are brachystachy) once they grow i will find out as i have some growing in soil and outside..

the brachy that i have growing now im going to let go to seed...so i can get more...but i have a feeling this hydrosystem is gonna work great for these grasses...lots of nitrogen right to the plant...and also i grew some wheatgrass a few years ago in plain water and they loved it...so hopefully this works

will continue to update as things progress
 
^how does that work?

Im sick of all the deffats I do on the grass..I dont even like using naptha but for my grass teks i need the stuff to defat and its such a waste..what does carbon do to eliminate defats?

Until I can get a good supply of limo and fumeric acid here im stuck with trying to work out a tekwith defats or else find an alternative.
 
carbon has an extremely high surface area, it is so pourous that a teaspoon as a surface area of like a square mile, or something similar. This makes it an awesome filtering material.

letting charcoal float around in a solution will slowly pull out the heavier, less abundant molecules. Fats would definitely have a high affinity for this carbon, aswell chlorophyll. Sticky, gaaky things like it. Generally carbon filtering is going to take out a small percentage of everything disolved in a given solvent, though it likes larger molecules better. This makes it excellent at taking out small amounts of impurities from a solution.

swim wonders: how much will it take to suck out all that fat, and how effective and how useful it will be for this specific case?

its worth a try. its great stuff. It should like the fat.

edit: also, its good to use dilute product when passing through charcoal. swim suggests:
wheatgrass juice dat shiat
dilute to 2-3x volume, something more dilute but manageable. or simply pour the juice junk on the carbon and wash the carbon out with some extra water.
pass through carbon filter(brita filter, washed carbon in a filter/funnel) or throw some WASHED carbon in, let it stir on that, or sit for a while then filter it nice.

This shouldn't be a bad thing. Thats gona help getting chlorophyl out a LOT. proably take multiple runs for satisfaction. definitely worth looking into, especially hearing about that gooey juice gaak
 
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