The real power of DMT.

[Mystic0]

Over the last month, since the end of this year. The isses involved in so many major and massive parts of my life, have finally come to conclusions. Before I took DMT, I was a science man, asking for reasons, facts, answers to questions. I have spent time claiming DMT healed me, DMT did this, DMT did that, DMT is responsible for these things. I think I'm now beginning to understand the true effects of what it was I took that night last year.

DMT isn't the realm of the divine, it's not the place where you're given any answers at all, if anything I was only given more questions to the perpetually asking existence I seem to live. This has brought me nothing but sadness, nothing but doubts, nothing but suffering and worry. It has taken the blinders off to the fullest of extents, shown me that I can go through something so profound, terrifying and soul shakingly illuminating it goes beyond words and in this beautiful little moment lies the real truth.

DMT never did anything, it merely showed me what I was doing to myself and made me realise that even DMT itself is an illusion, that the fears we create spawn from the questions and doubts around us. Our anxieties come from a lack of security but security itself is an illusion too. We are so vulnerable, all the time. From both physical and metaphysical experience, we are so beautifully vulnerable.

DMT allows us to rip apart the illusion we created that masks our true selves, it allows you to start the world again, without the constraints, restrictions and illusory boundaries around us and because of this, I understand why is so powerful. We are given another chance but none of the landmarks, none of the paths, nothing we were before.

It is the most liberating and soul aching feeling, to know you were always free and freedom isn't something that can be owned, described, or shown to you, only followed and found for youself.

 

[Global]

Over the last month, since the end of this year. The isses involved in so many major and massive parts of my life, have finally come to conclusions. Before I took DMT, I was a science man, asking for reasons, facts, answers to questions. I have spent time claiming DMT healed me, DMT did this, DMT did that, DMT is responsible for these things. I think I'm now beginning to understand the true effects of what it was I took that night last year.

DMT isn't the realm of the divine, it's not the place where you're given any answers at all, if anything I was only given more questions to the perpetually asking existence I seem to live.

I can't tell by your wording if you've only taken DMT once. Is that the case?

 

[Orion]

I can't tell by your wording if you've only taken DMT once. Is that the case?

And if he has ?


Mystic0, I agree.
I've dipped a toe in, a foot, a leg, had my body and soul reduced to meaningless jelly, had my ego deconstructed and refabricated and broken through the breakthrough of the breakthrough's breakthrough. Before I took DMT my spirituality was uncertain, and after all this I am an atheist.

DMT is just a drug and a small minority faction of the DMT nexus cares to admit this. Amazing, sure, a key to unlocking amazing parts of one's mind, sure. It is a tool, not a truth, a vision, not a prophecy.

 

[Mystic0]

3 times, once with freebase and twice with changa, the two times I smoked changa I didn't break through but had a fairly profound experience from both besides, I honestly don't think how much you've done makes any difference. I personally feel I was shown the answers to all my questions in life, in the one break through sitting I had, it's taught me enough to know, I felt my entire ego, self and being. Being absolutely deconstructed. The experience itself is illusion, if I was to believe anything I experienced through it, I'm going quickly into messianic complex.

I think, DMT is designed to show us we are perfect as we are, it completely strips away the illusions we create in life and in our own minds. Through DMT you face the truth, you see yourself for what you are but that's all it is, showing you the door. You already have all the answers. Anything else is just chasing a dragon. Maybe it's good to plug yourself back in now and then, to remind you if you forget or leave the trail but, that's it.

Don't get me wrong here through, this my own opinion on it, just sharing and see what others think

 

[EZ4U2Shoot]

Mystic0, do you plan on delving into The Spice any more? If so, pharmahuasca is certainly very spiritually enlightening. And coupling pharmahuasca with fumahuasca can be absolutely amazingly profound, but I DO NOT RECOMMEND IT UNTIL you have significant experience with both pharmahuasca and fumahuasca individually

 

[spinCycle]

The Truth will set you Free.

But first it will make you miserable.

 

[Ilex]

It's not the drug (DMT) that is so complex, it is the response of the whole organism (us) to DMT that is complex. I don't think drugs show us anything, other than what is already an innate possibility within our own bodies.

 

[jamie]

I would say that is is the complex interation of our own nervous sytems with the neurotransmitters pumped out by the environment which is like an extended aspect of the body. It's not just us..and it's not just the drug..its the dynamics that exist between both that is just another aspect of how freaking complex and sophisticated the planetary ecosystem is.

 

[Global]

I can't tell by your wording if you've only taken DMT once. Is that the case?

And if he has ?

With the sheer variety that the experience has to offer, it seems slightly premature to start making sweeping generalizations about the experience. I'm not even saying that I disagree with all the things Mystic0 has been saying. It just seems to be all-too-familiar a case of jumping to conclusions off of minimal data. I suppose it was the following that grabbed me:

DMT isn't the realm of the divine, it's not the place where you're given any answers at all, if anything I was only given more questions to the perpetually asking existence I seem to live

The way it presents itself today won't necessarily be the way it presents itself tomorrow, or the day after. I don't agree that it's a place of no-answers though it may often be. I don't agree that it isn't a realm of the divine, though it may often present itself as the opposite. DMT seems to be neither this nor that. It seems to be both a lot of things and their opposites. Creating absolutes about the experience seems a bit antithetical to DMT's nature as I've experienced it.

 

[anrchy]

I agree with global. There are so many different layers and levels and possibilities. Everytime I came to some kind of conclusion I was shown something eventually that then either negated what I once thought, added to it, or expanded on a completely different way of looking at it as a whole, even though I thought I was seeing the whole in the first place.

Something that I have learned is you cannot ever make any kind of conclusions, especially outwardly. DMT is different for each person, ya it has similarities as well, but to make any kind of assumptions as to what anything is because you took DMT twice or a thousand times does not always apply to other people. Most of the time is doesnt apply to anyone but yourself.

I also find DMT to be very much so divine. Whether or not I am perceiving it correctly who knows. And I have received many answers, often times to questions I wasnt even asking. I would recommend that Mystic0 takes the experience as it was meant for him, so saying that DMT is "this" because that it what he experienced really goes against how it works ultimately IMO.

It is to you what it needs to be. Which is not at all what it needs to be for me.

 

[Donline]

@mystic

DMT allows us to rip apart the illusion we created that masks our true selves, it allows you to start the world again, without the constraints, restrictions and illusory boundaries around us and because of this, I understand why is so powerful. We are given another chance but none of the landmarks, none of the paths, nothing we were before.

Was that the Freebase session? I had similar experience..

I think of Freebase as "MR DM" and Changa as "Tetra" (The Goddess)

Ive only ever met the Goddess on Changa, Freebase seems to be more inwardly focused towards the "Self" and less comforting or "Male"...

Your here though... so keep the Journey alive :thumb_up:

Honesty
I haven't had any Needless Doubts in a while now :roll: don't think anything can really beat being crush in a vortex of infinity...

 

[Philosopher]

It's not the molecule DMT you are really talking about. It is just your psychological reaction to it. Maybe the title should be phrased, my true meaning of DMT. Because like others said we all react differently to DMT, even you may react differently than you did a year ago.

 

[cire113]

Im sorry but in my experience DMT is well beyond a "drug"........like wow; once you see the ultimate truth of reality it is just so profound..... its like a game for us...


Thats why anyone who has never taken it and never experienced the divine will never understand...

I hate people that judge things without experiencing it themselves...


It appears the Shamans in Peru have known the greatest secret to all of life for thousands of years...


That is what DMT is for me; it is the ANSWER; yes it opens more questions; but in general as a whole it provides you with the ultimate truth about life

 

[infinitynlove]

The Truth will set you Free.

But first it will make you miserable.

^^^ very true!

 

[Orion]

So you're saying a drug which alters perception to reveal things not measurable by any other means is indeed the 'ultimate truth'? Surely I'm well within the realms of logic to disagree.

 

[corpus callosum]

I think its unwise to search for an ultimate truth through the use of any drug.I say this because an ultimate truth is unlikely to be dose-dependant or related to ones mind-set and as many of us here know, these 2 factors can affect the experience so dramatically.

IME, DMT acts reliably as a psychic cleanser if one can settle ones inner chatter completely and adopt an observers role.That, IMO, is its real power.

 

[Infundibulum]

I can't help it, my brain automatically completes this thread's title;

The real power of dmt....
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...is when you seriously start considering after a point to butter up a syringe and do dmt anally.

 

[PupilOfPerception]

So you're saying a drug which alters perception to reveal things not measurable by any other means is indeed the 'ultimate truth'? Surely I'm well within the realms of logic to disagree.

I'm curious, Orion, what you'd say the following quote means:

...if you see that it is inconceivable that anything should exist, it is evident that at least one inconceivable fact is there. That is to say, that which exists is not limited to the conceivable. Since the inconceivable is there, it is impossible to set any limit to the quantity of inconceivableness which may be present in the situation. Now were the existence of anything consistently to remind you of the fact of inconceivability...it would be impossible for you to feel in the same way about the conceivable.

...if anyone were reminded about the inconceivable by the fact of existence at all constantly, he would sooner or later have the perception that there may be inconceivable considerations which are inconceivably more important than any conceivable consideration could be.

...if you do have a perception that any conceivable consideration may be utterly invalidated by some other consideration which you do not know, and if you are reminded of this perception constantly by the fact that things exist, certain modifications take place in the way you feel about things. These modifications have not taken place in the psychology of most people.

- Celia Green​

Personally, based on my belief that the last statement about "most people" is accurate, I think these quotes mean that we shouldn't rush to judgement with "logic," because "logic" is as baseless (based on the foregoing truths about 'inconceivable considerations') as any fantasy you care to conjure.

As a simple illustration, I offer the following: As a software engineer, I can create a system wherein all of the 'logic' of the said system checks-out cleanly for 99.9999999999999% of the cases, yet for that last fraction of cases, I can introduce into the same system something which defies the logic applied to the majority (as viewed from within the system). Unless you created this entire universe, and all that it contains, a bit more humility will serve you far better than the god of 'logic' which many seem to worship.

 

[No Knowing]

The only ultimate truth I have learned from DMT, is that:

there is no ultimate truth, only the never ending journey for it.

 

[Orion]

So you're saying a drug which alters perception to reveal things not measurable by any other means is indeed the 'ultimate truth'? Surely I'm well within the realms of logic to disagree.

I'm curious, Orion, what you'd say the following quote means:

...such and such and such...

- Celia Green​

When I say the word 'logic' I suppose you can take that in another context and thus do away with the integrity of what I', actually getting at, but I could use another phrase: Evidence. It's my choice to base my beliefs on the outcomes of experimentation or good 'logical' belief that information coming from someone else was based on evidence. Something scientific, like chemistry, is in my eyes verbatim. The outcome is always going to be the same, no matter what. Unless the laws of physics change.

So when someone makes claims as to ultimate truths coming from a 'reality' which is individual, based on an experience outside of our consensual reality where the rules never change, a reality which only expresses itself when on a dose of an extremely powerful hallucinogen, (whilst everyone else's consensual reality remains the same), I will choose to discount it as tripping balls.

Not that there is anything wrong with that, but some of us prefer something a little bit more concrete. The argument is similar to Religion vs Science; one needs nothing solid, or has a different definition of evidence, whilst the other has the usual definition of evidence, straight from the dictionary. If people used only evidence, there would be no God(/s).