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polytrip

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We all know that there isn't a single 'ultimate psychedelic', but i've been looking for something that would come close to it anyway.
At a certain moment i discovered iboga. I became intruiged by it and started to experiment with it and i from very soon on became convinced that this stuff, if combined with other psychedelic's that are safe to combine with MAOI's could produce an incredibly powerfull and deep experience.

So i suspected that this combo could be powerfull and deep, but i surely didn't suspect that it would be as powerfull and deep as it proved to be last night. (maybe the fact that i'd taken iboga before, so that there is still a substantial amount of noribogaine in my system could have played a role here)

Last night i ate 4 grams of rootbark and 40 minutes later i drank lemon/mushroom extract of 1 and a quarter box of 'dragon's dynamyte' sclerotia wich is something like 17 to 18 grams. A 15 gram box equals about 3 to 4 grams of p.cubensis.

This resulted in an experience that was way more powerfull than a flooddose of 12 grams iboga rootbark that i took some months ago.
It was a bit like mescaline, but with a clearly dissociative touch with OBE's, weightlessness, strange sensations of moving or flying, many auditory hallucinations and visions with an incredible sensation of realness. It is definately much nicer than iboga is on it's own. There is no puking for hours to begin with, but it also has the beauty and elegance of mushroom visuals. the colours are less bright than pure mushroom visuals can be, but on the other hand i saw a whole new array of colours that i haven't seen before. Very warm and fluorescent.

Halway, i even had a combination of ayahuasca visuals and noribogaine tracers, wich is something that you normally only get when taking flooddoses. Now, only 4 grams of iboga rootbark produced the same visuals!!(people who've flooded before will know what kind of spectacular lightshow i'm taling about)

This combo produces some very weird effects. One of them is the incredibly gigantic slowing of time.

I have quite some experience with psychedelic's so i know by now how perception of time is being influenced by them. Considering that, i had a moment taht i realy believed that my trip should have come to an end, thinking that i'd been tripping for at least 6 hours while it only seemed to get more intense. It appeared that i was just tripping yet for 50 minutes then!!!!

The duration is also quite long. I'm almost on it for 12 hours now and i'm gradually coming down again, but for at least 9 full hours it was full on gigantic. This was definately one of the most powerfull experiences i've ever had. It was easily something like ayahuasca multiplied by 4 or 5.

I think a warning would be wise with this. This stuff is incredibly big and strong like it could have you for breakfast. Mindfuck potential is huge because of how your thoughts are affected by the sedation.

It's just amazingly powerfull and deep. This combo easily surpasses any normal ayahuasca, mushroom and DMT experience.
 
The ultimate psychedelic experience for me would be somehow managing to bring that excitable DMT sprite back into mundane reality with me. Waking up to that news story would be something else... never mind having initiated it.

Mostly I reckon the best psychedelic experience involves achieving some sort of change in thinking which is going to make your life (or others) a whole lot better. While the rest could all just be mental masturbation... it's still worth it

I mean, what is it for you? Grand visions? Euphoria? Revelation? Is what makes one trip better than another just how surreal it is?
 
Nice report Mr polytrip, I dig your pioneering spirit, boldly exploring realms few humans have ever been before. Sounds like an interesting combo for sure! I think a future session with this dosage of root bark and some Hawaiian Copelandia mushrooms may have to feature for sure.
 
EquaL Observer said:
The ultimate psychedelic experience for me would be somehow managing to bring that excitable DMT sprite back into mundane reality with me. Waking up to that news story would be something else... never mind having initiated it.

Mostly I reckon the best psychedelic experience involves achieving some sort of change in thinking which is going to make your life (or others) a whole lot better. While the rest could all just be mental masturbation... it's still worth it

I mean, what is it for you? Grand visions? Euphoria? Revelation? Is what makes one trip better than another just how surreal it is?
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That would depend on the journey itself.
Fully experiencing and apreciating the beauty of this weird thing life is is something, and being able to perceive and recognise it in an unadulterated way is something that could come close to an ultimate experience, but all of that would apply to ayahuasca and not to this iboga/shroom combo.

Iboga is a different element.
It reaches to the deepest places inside of you. The parts of you that existed before there was language. It gives sensations that can simply not be described with words. So it may seem as 'just a sensation' when i say this, but the actual core of you it reaches is that deep thing inside of you where words like 'sensation' have no weight. I could try to explain but if i would just tell you that i was able to fully relive some very, very early memories that i thought i'd forgotten could be an indication of what kind of 'deep' i mean.
 
Bancopuma said:
Nice report Mr polytrip, I dig your pioneering spirit, boldly exploring realms few humans have ever been before. Sounds like an interesting combo for sure! I think a future session with this dosage of root bark and some Hawaiian Copelandia mushrooms may have to feature for sure.
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Be carefull. It could be that my experience was as powerfull as it was simply because i had still some noribogaine in my system from prior experiences, one of wich was just a few days ago.

But if that didn't play a major part, then the combo with these amounts is extremely powerfull and long lasting. In the same category as an iboga flooddose. Not something to do on raves or something.
 
I am not surprised you had such a powerful journey with this combination considering the similarities that iboga has with the harmalas. Adding dmt to an already high dose of harmalas can be really strong indeed.

Maybe combining iboga with smoked dmt would be a good idea. This way you can go deep, exploring the territory, without necessarily needing to go through 10+ hour of this combo as smoked dmt will fade much quicker than mushrooms.
 
Dagger said:
I am not surprised you had such a powerful journey with this combination considering the similarities that iboga has with the harmalas. Adding dmt to an already high dose of harmalas can be really strong indeed.

Maybe combining iboga with smoked dmt would be a good idea. This way you can go deep, exploring the territory, without necessarily needing to go through 10+ hour of this combo as smoked dmt will fade much quicker than mushrooms.
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The link between harmala's and iboga is interesting. The only thing that holds me back from taking very large amounts of caapi is that i do know that in africa people take up to maybe 30 grams of rootbark sometimes, while i just don't know what the safety limit for harmala's is. I've never heard of people taking over, say 200 grams of caapi.

But maybe caapi could have the same effect as iboga in very large amounts, but with a shorter duration.

I also know that some amazonian shamans in consider brews with both harmala's (caapi) and ibogaine (shiric sanango) to be the their ultimate ayahuasca brew. Use of it is very rare and probably also very risky because they could hugely amplify eachother resulting in a fatal O.D. so you realy got to know what you're doing.
I don't feel tempted to give that combo a try. Or at least not until i would meet a shaman who knows how to make this work safely.

Realy small amounts (lower than 2 grams of rootbark and 60 grams of vine) can be done safely. i've did this something like a year ago and it was nice but not spectacular.
The only person here on the nexus who has experience with a combo of large amounts of harmala's and iboga is bancopuma, who took just a bit too much of the two and had a very uncomfortable experience. He didn't tell how much that experience was a learning experience for him still, since we all know that uncomfortable experiences can be very valuable in that sense.

I would say that taking a caapi/ibogaine combo without the proper guidance (a shaman experienced with this combo) is taking a great risk with your health.
I hope that warning is very clear.
 
OK, today i woke-up, seeing full-on noribogaine tracers for minutes, just like after my first flooddose. You cannot have that with 4 grams of rootbark. Besides that, the 4 grams had a LOT more effect than the three grams i had 2 days before. The fact that i'd taken a flooddose two months earlier, then 3 grams Besides, on thirsday and now 4 grams on sunday must have accumulated to enough iboga within my system to experience a new flood!!
So there are two things here: i actually had a flooddose of iboga with on top of that a good dose of mushies AND i didn't have any vomitting and so on.

So, i discovered a new way to get a flooddose without vomitting and feeling sick: You can take e few grams of rootbark each day untill it in a series of days eventually will accumulate to a full flooddose!!!That way your body get's time to adapt and you'll experience less of iboga's toxicity. And i discovered that a flooddose combined with shrooms this way is awesome.
 
polytrip said:
OK, today i woke-up, seeing full-on noribogaine tracers for minutes, just like after my first flooddose. You cannot have that with 4 grams of rootbark. Besides that, the 4 grams had a LOT more effect than the three grams i had 2 days before. The fact that i'd taken a flooddose two months earlier, then 3 grams Besides, on thirsday and now 4 grams on sunday must have accumulated to enough iboga within my system to experience a new flood!!
So there are two things here: i actually had a flooddose of iboga with on top of that a good dose of mushies AND i didn't have any vomitting and so on.

So, i discovered a new way to get a flooddose without vomitting and feeling sick: You can take e few grams of rootbark each day untill it in a series of days eventually will accumulate to a full flooddose!!!That way your body get's time to adapt and you'll experience less of iboga's toxicity. And i discovered that a flooddose combined with shrooms this way is awesome.
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This is very interesting (and valuable) indeed. I agree with Fractal: you should get a psychonaut award for this experiment.

Will you be doing it again sometime soon, to see if you can verify this method of enhanced safety and avoidance of iboga side effects? If it really works as you describe, it's PSYCHEDELIC NEWS that will be of considerable interest to many many people.

Thanks again for your careful work and your sharing.
 
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