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I dont know, im no expert in video editing nor in human physiology or kinetics. To my untrained eyes it just looks like a funny jump that a person trained into these eastern arts might know how to make, but who knows.. It doesnt change much my questions whether it looks belieavable or not either way.

The point is not that the whole joe six pack down the street has direct access but at least that he can know if that exists or not, and maybe if it does exist and that its proven real he will give up sixpack and start meditating some to achieve that too, dont you think?

And what would be direct experience? Travel far and hope to come across some exotic demonstration where I see from many meters away someone being thrown, and have no real way to test it?   Or start training years and years in some random school in my town and hope its the right one ? What if I have no money to pay for the school, is this a rich people's thing, or can this also help those in real need ?

And why would it bother you? It was a question, I entertain possibilities and see where these questions lead me. You think its unreasonable of me to question it? I find it a very convenient (and unfalsifiable) claim that those who have it dont want to show because it would open pandora's box.   Why is this the "default" belief one should have (and therefore not make you bothered, or thats how it seems?) to think that there are masters out there who know all these things and they dont share because the fame will be counterproductive?

What if there's do such thing as Chi ? Or what if there is something but different than it's actually talked about? What if there were masters but now they are all dead? etc etc..   Since I dont know, I cannot join this conversation and pretend to know or be strong about one belief or another, I am open to it and would like to know, if it exists, what benefit can it bring for humanity? What I dont like is that Chi became something that rich westerners can have access to in some fancy private schools or oportunity for rich travelers in some places. but I wonder about all the other people that cant get access?

Why arent there Chi masters going on solidary tours and helping starving children ? They dont even have to prove to scientists in some other way, just go and do your actions and leave... Why not?

<blockquote data-quote="endlessness" data-source="post: 3514764" data-attributes="member: 535">I dont know, im no expert in video editing nor in human physiology or kinetics. To my untrained eyes it just looks like a funny jump that a person trained into these eastern arts might know how to make, but who knows..&nbsp; It doesnt change much my questions whether it looks belieavable or not either way.The point is not that the whole joe six pack down the street has direct access but at least that he can know if that exists or not, and maybe if it does exist and that its proven real he will give up sixpack and start meditating some to achieve that too, dont you think?And what would be direct experience? Travel far and hope to come across some exotic demonstration where I see from many meters away someone being thrown, and have no real way to test it?&nbsp;&nbsp; Or start training years and years in some random school in my town and hope its the right one&nbsp; ? What if I have no money to pay for the school, is this a rich people&#039;s thing, or can this also help those in real need ?And why would it bother you? It was a question, I entertain possibilities and see where these questions lead me. You think its unreasonable of me to question it?&nbsp; I find it a very convenient (and unfalsifiable) claim that those who have it dont want to show because it would open pandora&#039;s box.&nbsp;&nbsp; Why is this the &quot;default&quot; belief one should have (and therefore not make you bothered, or thats how it seems?) to think that there are masters out there who know all these things and they dont share because the fame will be counterproductive? What if there&#039;s do such thing as Chi ? Or what if there is something but different than it&#039;s actually talked about? What if there were masters but now they are all dead? etc etc..&nbsp;&nbsp; Since I dont know, I cannot join this conversation and pretend to know or be strong about one belief or another, I am open to it and would like to know, if it exists, what benefit can it bring for humanity? What I dont like is that Chi became something that rich westerners can have access to in some fancy private schools or oportunity for rich travelers in some places. but I wonder about all the other people that cant get access?&nbsp;&nbsp; Why arent there Chi masters going on solidary tours and helping starving children ? They dont even have to prove to scientists in some other way, just go and do your actions and leave... Why not?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="endlessness, post: 3514764, member: 535"] I dont know, im no expert in video editing nor in human physiology or kinetics. To my untrained eyes it just looks like a funny jump that a person trained into these eastern arts might know how to make, but who knows.. It doesnt change much my questions whether it looks belieavable or not either way. The point is not that the whole joe six pack down the street has direct access but at least that he can know if that exists or not, and maybe if it does exist and that its proven real he will give up sixpack and start meditating some to achieve that too, dont you think? And what would be direct experience? Travel far and hope to come across some exotic demonstration where I see from many meters away someone being thrown, and have no real way to test it? Or start training years and years in some random school in my town and hope its the right one ? What if I have no money to pay for the school, is this a rich people's thing, or can this also help those in real need ? And why would it bother you? It was a question, I entertain possibilities and see where these questions lead me. You think its unreasonable of me to question it? I find it a very convenient (and unfalsifiable) claim that those who have it dont want to show because it would open pandora's box. Why is this the "default" belief one should have (and therefore not make you bothered, or thats how it seems?) to think that there are masters out there who know all these things and they dont share because the fame will be counterproductive? What if there's do such thing as Chi ? Or what if there is something but different than it's actually talked about? What if there were masters but now they are all dead? etc etc.. Since I dont know, I cannot join this conversation and pretend to know or be strong about one belief or another, I am open to it and would like to know, if it exists, what benefit can it bring for humanity? What I dont like is that Chi became something that rich westerners can have access to in some fancy private schools or oportunity for rich travelers in some places. but I wonder about all the other people that cant get access? Why arent there Chi masters going on solidary tours and helping starving children ? They dont even have to prove to scientists in some other way, just go and do your actions and leave... Why not? [/QUOTE]