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Theorycraft: The perfect vaporizer

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TiHKAL

TiHKAL

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With many threads popping up about GVG's and GVG alternatives I was thinking about having a theorycraft thread on an ideal vaping tool.

As many on this site I agree that the GVG is the best tool I've had so far to enjoy my DMT but at the same time I'm certain that there are some aspects that could be improved considering the struggle of new members to learn how to use the GVG efficiently.

What features do or don't you like about the GVG?

Is the method of application ideal or would you suggest a different one?

So without further ado I'd like to open this thread as a hub for input on how to improve the GVG or new ideas for a vaporizer.
Who knows, maybe there will be a GVG 2.0 designed by the wisdom of over 9000 knowledgeable Nexus users.
 
TiHKAL said:
With many threads popping up about GVG's and GVG alternatives I was thinking about having a theorycraft thread on an ideal vaping tool.

As many on this site I agree that the GVG is the best tool I've had so far to enjoy my DMT but at the same time I'm certain that there are some aspects that could be improved considering the struggle of new members to learn how to use the GVG efficiently.

What features do or don't you like about the GVG?

Is the method of application ideal or would you suggest a different one?

So without further ado I'd like to open this thread as a hub for input on how to improve the GVG or new ideas for a vaporizer.
Who knows, maybe there will be a GVG 2.0 designed by the wisdom of over 9000 knowledgeable Nexus users.
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I only have experience using the sandwich method in a bong/pipe, so I'm not sure how other vaporizers can compare to the GVG, but to be honest, I really don't see how it can get much better. I've had full blown breakthroughs the second I finish inhaling the vapor from my GVG. I can't imagine it getting much more intense than that.
 
Akasha224 said:
...I really don't see how it can get much better...
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Agreed on vaporizing, yet:
* Unbreakable glass ;)
* A 100% perfect fitting ceramic thin vaporizing disk (instead of the chore boy & ceramic DIY attempts), but seems they work on that already.

TiHKAL said:
...considering the struggle of new members to learn how to use the GVG efficiently...
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There are nice health supplements that improve motoric skills & tremors. :?:

Seriously now, I never understood their failures, hard to compensate for personal clumsiness. You would end up with an in-build high tech heater taking all possible failure action out of the equation, it would loose so much of the highly appreciated character and KISS that the GVG offers now. It's not all about function & features, there is a soul in things too.


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Just one more parameter and my new vaporizer V6.03.102 is setup to go.....


(all in good fun, no offence to TiHKAL)
 
I don't know about it being GVG style but what I'd feel is ideal would be -

* All glass vapour path
* Convection vaporiser
* Simple battery/switch/regulator circuit
* Fully variable temperature from 0-combustion - just a crude variable resistor with readout would be good

This would be the ultimate vaporiser. Waxes, liquids, dry herb, spice, essential oils, harmalas, whatever. Total versatility. I have yet to see an electronic vape suitable for say harmala or salvia alkaloids.


For a few years I've been thinking of making one of these myself, a much cruder DIY job version. It would consist of a metal tube with a small battery and a push to make switch and a coil. There would be some kind of trickery to get good convection, the aim is to simply pass temp adjustable air through a chamber and out as vapour, irrespective of contents of chamber.

This would be the holy grail. Reason being, you pick up the pipe, press button, huff and put down. No flame, no breakage/hazard worries. An in-bed vape, snuggling in the position ready to do some major balls trippin you take one hit and quit. Ideally it would be safe such that you could pass out with it there and then in any position and come back to an intact room every time.
 
Jees said:
Seriously now, I never understood their failures, hard to compensate for personal clumsiness. You would end up with an in-build high tech heater taking all possible failure action out of the equation, it would loose so much of the highly appreciated character and KISS that the GVG offers now. It's not all about function & features, there is a soul in things too.
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This is exactly correct. I remember reading another post a few months ago that said one of the interesting things about vaping DMT is that it never really gets easier no matter how many times you do it. There have been instances where I'll jump into it, not properly prepare my rituals, etc., and end up doing something stupid like coughing everything up or holding the torch too close to the pipe and setting everything on fire. Is this annoying? Yes, but it's my fault for being a dumbass and not going into the experience with intent, patience, and clear-headedness.

Vaping freebase DMT, once you get it down, it's almost like a sport in the sense that you need to have the right physical and mental preparations to have a meaningful experience. If I didn't practice meditation/yoga, would I be able to hold a hit in for 60+ seconds, or be able to talk myself down when the experience gets too crazy?
 
The only imperfect attributes with the GVG is temp control. This is THE only reason why people sometimes have issues when learning to use this device for DMT. With the GVG the temperature is controlled by two things.

The amount of heat being applied. (more increases temp)

The rate of airflow through inhaling. (more decreases temp)

The GVG is unique with this issue as other devices (like bongs or pipes when using the sandwich method, changa ect.) airflow speed increases temperature. Methods like an oil burner airflow speed isn't as much a problem beings that most store bought ones are made with a similar sized hole which creates back pressure limiting inhalation speed. Rather, the issue is with temperature control which requires very careful heat application due to the obvious downfall of conduction.

The GVG has a fairly unrestricted airflow, which creates a scenario where the user needs to balance inhalation speed with amount of heat applied to create the perfect vaping temp for an already finicky molecule; DMT. In my experience, too high of heat is hardly an issue with vaping DMT in the GVG. Most people, having issues, end up either inhaling too fast, applying too little heat, or a combination of the two.

If the GVG were designed so that it created more back pressure with a more restricted airflow this would force you to use a more proper inhalation speed, decrease the amount of heat needed making normal lighters more effective, and lower the learning curve and ease of use of the GVG. Now I am not sure at which location on the pipe you would want to do this as adjusting chamber size, size of the first inlet, inlet hole size where the screen sits all have slightly different effects. I feel like the hole where the screen goes (or choreboy/DMT in our case) would be the most likely candidate. I think this would also increase its effectiveness with vaping marijuana.
 
embracethevoid said:
* All glass vapour path
* Convection vaporiser
* Simple battery/switch/regulator circuit
* Fully variable temperature from 0-combustion - just a crude variable resistor with readout would be good
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I'd also add a temperature sensor which checks the current temp in the vape chamber 2 or 3 times a second. This would be somehow wired up with the temperature controler to keep the temperature in the vaping chamber constant, no matter how strong one inhales.

Also I'd use a ceramic heating element.

From a blow dryer website said:
Longer lasting (5x longer than coil)
Less damage to hair, “Clean Heat” (heat with no radiation)
Saves 41% more electricity because a ceramic heating element uses 90% of the electricity, turning it into heat. No energy is wasted or burned.
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And if I sum up all of the above I get an Airizer Extreme Q vaporizer.
 
That blow drier ad makes some bold claims to say the least, it sounds about as scientific as a shampoo commercial. I wouldn't mind blackbody heater elements at all though.

If hair driers are leaking radiation then that's because something is left out of the design to make it cheaper.

Other than that I completely agree with the above.
 
things that could be improved

first aesthetics, the vapor genie brand offers some of the ugliest product ever made, yet they also succeeded in making a very useful tool for dmt vaporization. A clear case of function before looks, imo there is never a excuse for that.

second, the pipe is great for blasting of once and then reload after 10 or so min, this does not work for me, i reload much more often and i cant reload at times because its to hot.

third, flow control and heat control, two defining parameters for the function of the device, both could be controlled in various ways.
 
expandaneum said:
things that could be improved

first aesthetics, the vapor genie brand offers some of the ugliest product ever made, yet they also succeeded in making a very useful tool for dmt vaporization. A clear case of function before looks, imo there is never a excuse for that.
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You think so? The wooden VG's are a little goofy looking IMO, but I think the GVG is beautiful.
 
Akasha224 said:
expandaneum said:
things that could be improved

first aesthetics, the vapor genie brand offers some of the ugliest product ever made, yet they also succeeded in making a very useful tool for dmt vaporization. A clear case of function before looks, imo there is never a excuse for that.
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You think so? The wooden VG's are a little goofy looking IMO, but I think the GVG is beautiful.
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It sure all is personal aesthetics, but I am with expandeum on that; despite VG products' effectiveness, their ugliness is one of its kind. GVG looks to me like a cross between a used condom and a planarium (more so when decorated with yellowish-white stuff on the inside after some uses); the classic VG looks like a severed femur but also strongly reminds of anal beads; the bronze sherlock again looks like a severed femur bone with a Lycra spandex; and so on.
 
Why not carve your own decorations on your wooden VG's. Make it resemble a totem or Zuni fetish(the original meaning of the word, before everything was about s..) of sorts.

I dont have a VG but, I'm slowly putting together an electric vaporizer. I'll use a soldering iron with adjustable temperature as heater element. It will be fitted to a improvised densely finned heat sink (all in whole copper) to heat the air through forced convection before it's channeled through a ceramic foam disk. The heating chamber will be properly isolated of course, the heat can be adjusted between 16~90W. I expect to spend a good deal of time calibrating the thing, haha.
 
Green Buddha

With a lot of glassware being made with standard specifications in terms of the joint connections, there is a lot of room for customization that can be explored. Something I am interested in would be adding a controllable heating element and temperature display to the GVG or GB.

Also I would like a longer hook to hold more smoke, while I can breakthrough with one hit its a bit challenging. I think a longer hook would allow more vapor to accumulate and allow for an easier one hit breakthrough.
 
Interesting opinions so far and while I have no problems using my GVG I would love incorporate some of them, especially the heating ones.
 
steppa said:
And if I sum up all of the above I get an Airizer Extreme Q vaporizer.
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^^^^
Enhanced leaf in the extreme q is very very effective. :shock:

Personally I've never had any issues with the GVG, it's an ideal portable spicecraft ime. The wooden VG is kind of clunky and frankly sucks for dmt compared to the gvg, great for hash though. :)
 
Fused silica gvgs 😁
May be alot more expensive, but i'd be fine with the price knowing a torch lighter applied too aggressively wouldn't crack the glass.
 
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