Thoughts effecting your DMT trip (theory)

[anrchy]

So I am not quite sure how to start this. I am curious as to what is happening, and I'm not exactly sure how it works. Figured maybe someone has their own idea or something...

So I have had a handful of experiences on DMT where a thought or idea or fear that entered my mind within a small time period before dosing (0-10min?) effected my experience. I'm going to need to read through some of my past experiences to be able to give more than one example but here is my most recent one.

I've had two experiences where I was worried about the possibility that something could be wrong with my DMT for stupid reasons that are not logical, due to my limited experience with chemistry. This thought entered into my experience, in such a way that it was the theme or was shown to me.

On one occasion, just recently, some of the entities were coughing and hacking like they were sick and throwing up. I communicated to them that I didnt think anything could be wrong, and they continued to tell me and show me that its bad, dont use that stuff anymore. It will hurt you. I reasoned with them but always had this convincing thought in my head, planted by them, that it was the truth. Something was wrong with my DMT.

When I was loading my gvg with that dose in particular, I noticed some of my DMT had formed into a thumb sized chunk. Also, it seems strange to me that it changed smells. Smells nothing like the vapor does. And that dose the vapor now smells like the crystals.

This isnt my concern though, Im curious as to the mechanism as to how the experience pulls this thought out of my head, and why it intensifies my fears or ideas.

Anyone else experience this kind of thing? I theorize that there is a time limit on memory that enters in. Because other things that happened that day have yet to enter into my experiences.

I have also dosed a new batch and the experience was much weaker than it should have been, and the experience was telling me something was wrong with it or in it.

(I'm actually not afraid of whats in my DMT, its just hard to KNOW even though I extracted it)

 

[Global]

First of all, what kind of tek are you using for your extractions?

Also, in regards to thoughts affecting the trip, if I had a busy day, and came back and smoked some DMT, there's a good chance that some of the voices from throughout the day might ring around my head, particularly at onset.

 

[anrchy]

I used vodsels approach to the q21 Tek. I'm positive nothing is wrong with my DMT. It's just the fact that I took a powder that was supposed to be bark, mixed chemicals into it. Threw some stuff into a freezer and white fluffy stuff appeared. Im not a chemist so it's a little alien to me. I see the powder I know it's DMT but the worry wort in me throws curve balls at me. It's easier to look at a list of ingredients on a package and feel comfortable that's what you've got. There's no ingredient list for extracted DMT you know what I'm saying.

I saw the clumping, which is probably a small amount of moisture buildup causing crystals to stick together, but I fabricate an idea that maybe it's chemically reacting to something which makes me worry about it ect. I actually wonder if these glass vials are air right or not.

I've had similar things happen on mushrooms. If a negative thought pops in my head it starts looping and is hard to dismiss. I have a theory about how DMT entities interact with you through your own thoughts or memories. I'm usually shown things that make instant sense to me, which I believe is why they communicate to you by showing you things you understand. And what better library of knowledge of things to use than your own experiences and memories?

 

[ewok]

I took a powder that was supposed to be bark, mixed chemicals into it. Threw some stuff into a freezer and white fluffy stuff appeared.

I found this quite humorous for some reason.

 

[The Observer]

Hey there OP.......

You sound a bit confused.............

That being said, I would trust myself, long before some silly label, that you seemingly are blindly trusting and accepting as reality......

At least when you do your own extractions, regardless of your knowledge of chemistry, you know what went into it, and what you end up with (going with the premise that you start with real MHRB, or whatever).

I don't believe that many beings fully understand the incredible power and depth of this substance.

Happy Trails to you.............

Of course, everything I said was just my humble opinion!!

 

[anrchy]

Ok. This is getting off topic. The ingredient list thing was an analogy. My point being I see a white powder and for some unknown reason my brain creates a falsification that caused a negative thought that entered into my DMT experience. This was what the topic was about and I hope we can stay on task =). Unless my theory is uninteresting.

I just find it interesting that Whatever thoughts I have within a 10 minute period of inhaling DMT, usually has a strong impact on the experience. Does any have input on that? Or have experience this as well?

Sometimes you guys get side tracked easily hehe

 

[cyb]

My point being I see a white powder and for some unknown reason my brain creates a falsification that caused a negative thought that entered into my DMT experience.

Perhaps entities/or other visuals (negative or not) are just subconscious thoughts, manifesting in a visual form (due to synaesthesia)

If so some NLP could certainly help reprogram those thoughts to positive ones...

Food for thought...

 

[anrchy]

My idea is more so that subconscious thoughts (negative or not) can have drastic effects on the experience itself. I would assume that many here already believe this to be so, beings that "intent" before dosing is a common practice amongst nexians. I propose that rather then just intent, one could pre plan a planting of an idea into ones head at a certain time right before dosing, to guide the experience in a desired direction.

When you take mushrooms your psychological state is important. I think in much the same way this applies to DMT, but more importantly is more complex and this can be used to our advantage. I haven't purposely experimented with it myself. I've just noticed a few times it accidentally happening.

 

[Global]

You know the thing is that while I do believe that thoughts can play some role, and that intent can play a role, I just wouldn't want to take the idea too far because the majority of what happens seems to have little to do with what I'm thinking it should seem. I would say that thoughts have a light modulation ability. That is to say, since these DMT entities often communicate telepathically (speaking through thoughts) it should make sense that they would be able to hear our thoughts. As a result, they can choose to comply with an intent for example, or they may very well decide they have other plans in mind. This would all be of course to assume that entities have such autonomous intelligence, and that they do in fact exert such control over the situation, which based on my personal experiences, I would have to say that I would think that it could be likely.

 

[anrchy]

And I agree. A lot of the time when I dose, a thought will pop in my head right when I'm taking the hit but won't have an effect on the experience at all. I often wonder if when it has happened to me it's due to the negative nature of the thought. Negative emotions or thoughts seem to sink in fairly quickly or become overwhelming while on psychedelics.

And with the larger doses nothing in my head seems to effect the experience at all. In anyway.

 

[acacian]

I find thoughts before dosing don't seem to have much of an effect.. once I inhale I seem to be guided in my surrender. the conscious force in the experience always sees past my thoughts. It sees what I really mean.. so in that aspect I think intent does play a huge role in the experience. Sometimes I haven't been particularly clear on my intent because I have been cloudded by thought, but the experience shows me it very clearly. It is very humbling..

thinking during an experience though.. well that is another thing all together. All of my scariest moments on dmt have arisen from a simple thought. A quick contemplation of the experience which subsequently pulls me out of the moment.. out of the reality of what it is really showing me. Thoughts can turn hyperspace into a whole 'nother dimension.. often quite a scary one. I find concentrating on the visions themselves helps get me past this every time. If I feel an uncomfortable thought pop in, I just pay attention to the visions and let them wash over again and I quickly redissolve into the content.. anyways sorry i kinda trailed off there

Perhaps you could wash your spice and try again? Or maybe it came from a bad source? It is often important to not take the experience as an absolute truth, though more often than not, there is and intrinsic meaning behind what it is showing me. I say on this one, listen to your gut.. it seems unlikely to me that you would be shown this if there weren't more to it. The experience tends to give one what they need rather than what they want. Do you smoke other things which may be affecting your lungs? Or was it specific to your dmt?

 

[anrchy]

Well the thing is the stuff works really well. I don't see anything wrong with it. I've dosed all three vials, each a slightly different color, many times with no problems. Other people have also experienced nothing but what is to expect from good DMT. The only times the experience hinted towards anything negative about my stuff were when I had a paranoid thought right before dosing or launching.

It may not work with everyone, it may only work if it is a worrying thought. I don't know. There's nothing to actually hint that there is anything really wrong except my paranoia because I've never chemically extracted anything before DMT.

One time I dosed shortly after having an argument with a room mate. My position in the argument was basically me being very pushy on my opinion and talking in a way as if I "have it all figured out". Well my dose after that conversation was an amazing experience where an entity showed me that "I don't know jack". I was shown these rings that contained the knowledge of the universe and as I stared up at them in awe he laughed at me in a friendly way. And saying telepathically to me "told you, you don't know as much as you think you do hahahah"

In this same way I think sometimes any fears you have before dosing can be shown to you, possibly in a way that would seem like they were strengthening your fears but possibly that they are just being shown.

 

[AfroHorror]

If water can do it why not other compounds?

-Water has Memory

-Water, Consciousness & Intent
Could shape and form of the molecule influence the trip as well? We obviously have thoughts and emotions going through our heads as we go about extractions could those not leave imprints in the substances?
Thought that was worth considering.

 

[acacian]

If water can do it why not other compounds?

-Water has Memory

-Water, Consciousness & Intent
Could shape and form of the molecule influence the trip as well? We obviously have thoughts and emotions going through our heads as we go about extractions could those not leave imprints in the substances?
Thought that was worth considering.

an interesting perspective, AfroHorror.. I feel the same way to an extent. When I extract from acacia I like to do it quite ceremonially and pour my intentions into the brew while always standing over it. I think, like anything, that you get out what you put in with extracting dmt. Going for the easiest and less nurturing methods may have spiritual consequences to the molecule that we don't quite understand.. it is hard to really know, but I like to extract with love just to be on the safe side