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thoughts on the nexus rogan and young people u tube

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islandhome

Rising Star
hey guys
im a lurker for the most part
this was going to be a post in another thread
mabey i should have posted this there
but i thought this touched enuff bases to start its own thread

i first came to this site some time a go
it seemed people here where more well kind
seems latley there s a lot of this
foul words and cut back s towards folks (Ha) < i really hate that one
it seems so out of place here
this is the only place ive ever posted and not got craped on for my spelling
(dyslexia) never got over the spelling aspect
and felt free to post about my life with dmt

to me this was a place that all the ego games where put a side
we could talk
learn
and be in a respetfull community

i think thats being lost here
like tears in the rain :(

i hope not


as for young people (high school kids ) and what not
i think its fine
be resposable for your actions

i was a straight f student till i ran across mushes lsd in my second round in 9 grade
got on the honer roll skiped a grade and graduated even some collage

i know that its very possable for these (drugs)to be very helpfull

joe rogan humm
the only problem i have with him
and it my not be him
theres never any thang else besides
(dude its crazy its like crazy try it )
i figure
he just does not have time to get into the subject futher on the (ex )shows hes on
he could handel that time better

as far a you tube
my main problem with that
is the info(ex . aya is never talked abut the safty for maoi s ) and repersentation of dmt and aya and its useres (dude DUDE OMY ITS CRAZZZZZY BRO)
for the most part of putting and kinda scary
i dont what to see a crack down on my organics
salvia any one
(witch i dont like but why if im not into something should it not be protected )
and that whole seen was caused buy you tube and dummies

theres my 2 shakes
ok 3 i over do it some times



o and to light en up i put one of my drawings on here hope you like
also im gona post some of my paintings and such inthe art section uno momento
 

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Hey islandhome,

First and foremost allow me to say that your artwork amazing and truly inspirational. Your style is right up my alley!

Second - I think you are right. I know I've been a little abrasive recently on this site. Please understand that it's been out of passion and not anger. It's funny that you post this at this time because I was just telling my wife yesterday how cool this community is. It's such a small group of us that hold many of the same interests and beliefs in life.
I'm fully on board to keep this brotherhood positive and friendly, and if we feel someone is being overly abrasive (which I don't see happen very often), but regardless, we should feel open to kindly suggest that they keep their tone to a constructive and healthy debate. JMHO.
This site is sure to grow with the new youtube explosion on DMT so setting the tone now is our best opportunity to keep this a kind community.

Thanks for calling this out! Good words from a good man!

Happy Travels!
 
cool drawing!

one of the main things that attacted me to this forum is the open people that act cool towards eachother, and the overall chill vibe.

swim only knows DMT through a couple of jurema rue trips, but this forum seems to be a testament to the spirit molecule.

much love

ommani
 
About the Joe Rogan comment he is one of the participants in the Spirit molecule documentary so maybe he will have more time to explain his beliefs.
 
I cannot believe that artwork. You have anything that is fully colored? I am sure it would be amazing. I would be interested in buying some art like that.
 
I hear you, and it's surely a sad little story but it happens fairly often with forums. I'm also fed up with ego games, I have to deal with them enough in real life as society wants me to participate in them.

Your drawing is "FUCKIN A!" (note the irony). Keep it up, your very skilled..but you propably already know that.
 
That drawing is very beautiful.


I thought I heard that Joe Rogan was pro-D.A.R.E until he was like 30, then he found the truth about entheogens. He is just very enuthusiastic. Maybe in 5-10 years he will mellow out a-lot.
 
I often chalk up his enthusiasm to that as well. How can you not be ape-shit excited about something that has such a profound effect on your life?! I feel those who are wise know to keep this within and to a select group of people willing and wanting to listen, however...
 
islandhome said:
as far a you tube
my main problem with that
is the info(ex . aya is never talked abut the safty for maoi s )
This is a point of concern for me too.
That is because the MAOI information about ayahusaca is the largest source of bad information. For example all of the safety prescriptions for diet regarding MAOI are taken from studies of long term irreversible inhibitors of MAO-B and MAO-A. They are totally inaccurate when applied to beta-carbolines. I take beta-carbolines all the time and combine them with milk, cheese, coffee so on and so forth, I would be dead from this if the beta-carbolines were anything like prescription irreversible MAOI. The facts are that the MAO has a higher affinity for tyramine than for beta-carbolines, so taking beta-carbolines does not prevent the MAOI from acting on tyramine and related pressor agents unless the dose is very very high, such high doses are unpleasant unto themselves.

As far as the diets that indigenous users of ayahuasca observe, there have been two genweral reasons provided for them. 1 the diet allows the transition of the user into a plant spirit. 2 the diet minimizes discomfort while maximizing desired effects.

I too dislike the press about the action of DMT, it creates anxiety which can prevent people from benefiting from their experience. For too many people this molecule is anything but spiritual. But then even Strassman stopped his experiments because they failed to support his theory of the molecule being spiritual, instead of spiritual experiences many of his test subjects had traumatic alien abduction type experiences that Strassman had no wish to continue causing.

If anything the press on DMT and Ayahuasca lacks objectivity in general and on both sides of the fence. On one hand it is considered a dangerous hallucinogenic agent, on the other hand it is considered a spiritual hyperdimensional agent, both views can be criticized for a lack of objectivity and neither is correct. Rather the truth is that both DMT and ayahuasca have the capacity to benefit or harm individuals depending on how they approach and respect it. Clearly not every person can take DMT and expect to have a beautiful spiritual experience, nor can every person take it and expect to get "all messed up" or
"high as f**k".

If anything how we approach the molecules informs our experience and respect is vital regardless of personal opinion.

My 2 cents at least, take them for what they are, just one mans opinion.

I also have heard Joe Rogan talk a great deal on the subject of entheogens, he knows far more than the average person but perpetuates a great deal of psychedelic mythology. I like what he is doing because he talks and thinks like the average person, so he can reach the average person, but I would not label him an expert in any sense of the term aside from his individual experiences. I support his pro-entheogen ideology, but he doesn't meet my standards for objectivity or scientific accuracy.
 
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