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I think Leary may have been acting in haste with his interpretation of the bardo thodol, while all psychedelics can potentially give one access to these states, with most psychedelics this only occurs at very committed doses, with most psychedelics you must venture further into the deep water than most are willing to go, where as with DMT it's fairly consistent in allowing one access to these states, it's like mckenna said "nobody ever went into an Ashram with their knees knocking in fear over the tremendous dimension they knew they were about to enter through meditation.” the same could be said for most psychedelics, well, at least at the dose range most take them in...

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...going off topic, it was interesting to watch mckenna interact with alpert, you could tell mckenna was clearly frustrated by alpert's behaviors, at one point alpert had his eyes closed after mckenna had asked him a question, and you could tell mckenna was thinking "oh god, just answer the question"...it's actually a great contrast between "the kool-aide drinker" which was alpert, and "the skeptic" which was mckenna, both these men were swimming in the same sea, but both had radically different approaches to it...
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I feel the DMT flash is identical to what one experiences at death, and this is not just my opinion, it's actually ingrained into the history of the compound, for example, "aya" is the quechua word meaning "corpse", "dead", "ghost" or "soul" and "huasca" is the quechua word meaning "cord", "rope" or "vine", making the translation of ayahuasca "the vine of the dead" or "the vine that gives access to death" or "ghost vine/spirit vine", so it was even clear to the ancient Amazonian ayahuascqueros that this experience was a venture into the realm of the dead and death...

While 5-methoxy-DMT can do this as well, I feel DMT is the actual "death molecule", though in the west people have a very poor understanding of death, just the word itself conjures up anxieties, negative connotations and associations in the western mind, so a name like "death molecule" would surely be misconstrued to mean "the molecule which causes death", so, it was softened to the acceptable "spirit molecule"...

I'll leave you with some excerpts from various terence mckenna lectures which touch on the topic.

-eg

<blockquote data-quote="entheogenic-gnosis" data-source="post: 3789592" data-attributes="member: 29103">I think Leary may have been acting in haste with his interpretation of the bardo thodol, while all psychedelics can potentially give one access to these states, with most psychedelics this only occurs at very committed doses, with most psychedelics you must venture further into the deep water than most are willing to go, where as with DMT&nbsp; it&#039;s fairly consistent in allowing one access to these states, it&#039;s like mckenna said &quot;nobody ever went into an Ashram with their knees knocking in fear over the tremendous dimension they knew they were about to enter through meditation.” the same could be said for most psychedelics, well, at least at the dose range most take them in...-----...going off topic, it was interesting to watch mckenna interact with alpert, you could tell mckenna was clearly frustrated by alpert&#039;s behaviors, at one point alpert had his eyes closed after mckenna had asked him a question, and you could tell mckenna was thinking &quot;oh god, just answer the question&quot;...it&#039;s actually a great contrast between &quot;the kool-aide drinker&quot; which was alpert, and &quot;the skeptic&quot; which was mckenna, both these men were swimming in the same sea, but both had radically different approaches to it...[MEDIA=youtube]9Ih4Fg6P730[/MEDIA][MEDIA=youtube]HgI9S9lj5K0[/MEDIA]------Back to the topic:I feel the DMT flash is identical to what one experiences at death, and this is not just my opinion, it&#039;s actually ingrained into the history of the compound, for example, &quot;aya&quot; is the quechua word meaning &quot;corpse&quot;, &quot;dead&quot;, &quot;ghost&quot; or &quot;soul&quot; and &quot;huasca&quot; is the quechua word meaning &quot;cord&quot;, &quot;rope&quot; or &quot;vine&quot;, making the translation of ayahuasca &quot;the vine of the dead&quot; or &quot;the vine that gives access to death&quot; or &quot;ghost vine/spirit vine&quot;, so it was even clear to the ancient Amazonian ayahuascqueros that this experience was a venture into the realm of the dead and death...While 5-methoxy-DMT can do this as well, I feel DMT is the actual &quot;death molecule&quot;, though in the west people have a very poor understanding of death, just the word itself conjures up anxieties, negative connotations and associations in the western mind, so a name like &quot;death molecule&quot; would surely be misconstrued to mean &quot;the molecule which causes death&quot;, so, it was softened to the acceptable &quot;spirit molecule&quot;...I&#039;ll leave you with some excerpts from various terence mckenna lectures which touch on the topic.&nbsp; -eg</blockquote>

[QUOTE="entheogenic-gnosis, post: 3789592, member: 29103"] I think Leary may have been acting in haste with his interpretation of the bardo thodol, while all psychedelics can potentially give one access to these states, with most psychedelics this only occurs at very committed doses, with most psychedelics you must venture further into the deep water than most are willing to go, where as with DMT it's fairly consistent in allowing one access to these states, it's like mckenna said "nobody ever went into an Ashram with their knees knocking in fear over the tremendous dimension they knew they were about to enter through meditation.” the same could be said for most psychedelics, well, at least at the dose range most take them in... ----- ...going off topic, it was interesting to watch mckenna interact with alpert, you could tell mckenna was clearly frustrated by alpert's behaviors, at one point alpert had his eyes closed after mckenna had asked him a question, and you could tell mckenna was thinking "oh god, just answer the question"...it's actually a great contrast between "the kool-aide drinker" which was alpert, and "the skeptic" which was mckenna, both these men were swimming in the same sea, but both had radically different approaches to it... [MEDIA=youtube]9Ih4Fg6P730[/MEDIA] [MEDIA=youtube]HgI9S9lj5K0[/MEDIA] ------ Back to the topic: I feel the DMT flash is identical to what one experiences at death, and this is not just my opinion, it's actually ingrained into the history of the compound, for example, "aya" is the quechua word meaning "corpse", "dead", "ghost" or "soul" and "huasca" is the quechua word meaning "cord", "rope" or "vine", making the translation of ayahuasca "the vine of the dead" or "the vine that gives access to death" or "ghost vine/spirit vine", so it was even clear to the ancient Amazonian ayahuascqueros that this experience was a venture into the realm of the dead and death... While 5-methoxy-DMT can do this as well, I feel DMT is the actual "death molecule", though in the west people have a very poor understanding of death, just the word itself conjures up anxieties, negative connotations and associations in the western mind, so a name like "death molecule" would surely be misconstrued to mean "the molecule which causes death", so, it was softened to the acceptable "spirit molecule"... I'll leave you with some excerpts from various terence mckenna lectures which touch on the topic. -eg [/QUOTE]