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Thanks Gypzy,

I'm glad somebody brought up Buddhism and especially Desire.

I've found that the trick to understanding how to transform desire lies in figuring out what to desire.

If we consider Zen to be a refinement of Buddhism, then it becomes easy to see that 'being present' lies at the heart of both.

I've seen it conveyed as "cultivation of awareness" by the hardcore zen masters,

And as a cultivation of compassion by Buddhist masters.

But presence is a great word because at some point it moves from a masculine to a feminine approach.

By cultivating ones own ability to Be Present, the more of a capacity we have to allow a Presence to enter us.

Naturally our soul desires the Presence to enter us. It is truly a primordial longing. But often we have never experienced the presence in the first place! I'm sure some of us have a relationship with it,

But! If we learn to want to be present (and nesecarily knowing that it is the most difficult thing in the universe) then we can begin to transform suffering.

For one to know that the only real suffering is the suffering to be present requires a very high level of understanding.

The roots can be traced to the primordial longing to be with the Beloved (presence)

But that level of thinking does not translate through sutras or bibles or any sacred text so well.

So we usually don't start with the core of the Dharma.

We start by recognizing that Desire is the root of Suffering.

Then we become Ill and sometimes are lucky enough to be a person who remembers

That the root of the Suffering is the Desire to feel not ill!

So we try as hard as we can to be present to the illness, the sensation of it.

If we are really lucky, and the circumstances are right, it sometimes happens that we receive an immense emotional energy simply because we wanted to be present to some form of suffering.

But seriously, most of the time we suffer and don't remember ourselves or everything we've come to know.

And the more deeply we recognize this, the clearer this primordial suffering renders itself.

This is the deepest suffering, and the only real suffering in existence. When we resonate with this, we resonate with the struggle of god himself. We begin to widen our being enough to resonate with a harmonic fraction of the suffering that god transformed.

All this pain and pleasure actually is just the soul being prepared in exactly the way which is necessary for god to be present to the state of existence.

Yet we can't know this with our minds, we have to mirror god, and we have to live in the Desire. The real Desire, not the shallow false coins of which there are many. And we have to experience real pain, due to the Suffering to be present.

So this Sutra is spawned by Lord Shiva
"1. RADIANT ONE, THIS EXPERIENCE MAY DAWN BETWEEN TWO BREATHS. AFTER BREATH
COMES IN (DOWN) AND JUST BEFORE TURNING UP (OUT) – THE BENEFICENCE."

Try to Practically be present to the breath.. -
The Beneficence may flow into you.

Thanks for reading and Thanks for contributions Gypzy

<blockquote data-quote="cubeananda" data-source="post: 3655903" data-attributes="member: 20354">Thanks Gypzy,I&#039;m glad somebody brought up Buddhism and especially Desire.I&#039;ve found that the trick to understanding how to transform desire lies in figuring out what to desire.If we consider Zen to be a refinement of Buddhism, then it becomes easy to see that &#039;being present&#039; lies at the heart of both.I&#039;ve seen it conveyed as &quot;cultivation of awareness&quot; by the hardcore zen masters,And as a cultivation of compassion by Buddhist masters.But presence is a great word because at some point it moves from a masculine to a feminine approach.By cultivating ones own ability to Be Present, the more of a capacity we have to allow a Presence to enter us.Naturally our soul desires the Presence to enter us. It is truly a primordial longing. But often we have never experienced the presence in the first place! I&#039;m sure some of us have a relationship with it,But! If we learn to want to be present (and nesecarily knowing that it is the most difficult thing in the universe) then we can begin to transform suffering.For one to know that the only real suffering is the suffering to be present requires a very high level of understanding.The roots can be traced to the primordial longing to be with the Beloved (presence)But that level of thinking does not translate through sutras or bibles or any sacred text so well.So we usually don&#039;t start with the core of the Dharma.We start by recognizing that Desire is the root of Suffering.Then we become Ill and sometimes are lucky enough to be a person who remembers That the root of the Suffering is the Desire to feel not ill!So we try as hard as we can to be present to the illness, the sensation of it. If we are really lucky, and the circumstances are right, it sometimes happens that we receive an immense emotional energy simply because we wanted to be present to some form of suffering.But seriously, most of the time we suffer and don&#039;t remember ourselves or everything we&#039;ve come to know. And the more deeply we recognize this, the clearer this primordial suffering renders itself.This is the deepest suffering, and the only real suffering in existence. When we resonate with this, we resonate with the struggle of god himself. We begin to widen our being enough to resonate with a harmonic fraction of the suffering that god transformed.All this pain and pleasure actually is just the soul being prepared in exactly the way which is necessary for god to be present to the state of existence.Yet we can&#039;t know this with our minds, we have to mirror god, and we have to live in the Desire. The real Desire, not the shallow false coins of which there are many. And we have to experience real pain, due to the Suffering to be present.So this Sutra is spawned by Lord Shiva &quot;1. RADIANT ONE, THIS EXPERIENCE MAY DAWN BETWEEN TWO BREATHS. AFTER BREATHCOMES IN (DOWN) AND JUST BEFORE TURNING UP (OUT) – THE BENEFICENCE.&quot;Try to Practically be present to the breath.. -The Beneficence may flow into you.Thanks for reading and Thanks for contributions Gypzy</blockquote>

[QUOTE="cubeananda, post: 3655903, member: 20354"] Thanks Gypzy, I'm glad somebody brought up Buddhism and especially Desire. I've found that the trick to understanding how to transform desire lies in figuring out what to desire. If we consider Zen to be a refinement of Buddhism, then it becomes easy to see that 'being present' lies at the heart of both. I've seen it conveyed as "cultivation of awareness" by the hardcore zen masters, And as a cultivation of compassion by Buddhist masters. But presence is a great word because at some point it moves from a masculine to a feminine approach. By cultivating ones own ability to Be Present, the more of a capacity we have to allow a Presence to enter us. Naturally our soul desires the Presence to enter us. It is truly a primordial longing. But often we have never experienced the presence in the first place! I'm sure some of us have a relationship with it, But! If we learn to want to be present (and nesecarily knowing that it is the most difficult thing in the universe) then we can begin to transform suffering. For one to know that the only real suffering is the suffering to be present requires a very high level of understanding. The roots can be traced to the primordial longing to be with the Beloved (presence) But that level of thinking does not translate through sutras or bibles or any sacred text so well. So we usually don't start with the core of the Dharma. We start by recognizing that Desire is the root of Suffering. Then we become Ill and sometimes are lucky enough to be a person who remembers That the root of the Suffering is the Desire to feel not ill! So we try as hard as we can to be present to the illness, the sensation of it. If we are really lucky, and the circumstances are right, it sometimes happens that we receive an immense emotional energy simply because we wanted to be present to some form of suffering. But seriously, most of the time we suffer and don't remember ourselves or everything we've come to know. And the more deeply we recognize this, the clearer this primordial suffering renders itself. This is the deepest suffering, and the only real suffering in existence. When we resonate with this, we resonate with the struggle of god himself. We begin to widen our being enough to resonate with a harmonic fraction of the suffering that god transformed. All this pain and pleasure actually is just the soul being prepared in exactly the way which is necessary for god to be present to the state of existence. Yet we can't know this with our minds, we have to mirror god, and we have to live in the Desire. The real Desire, not the shallow false coins of which there are many. And we have to experience real pain, due to the Suffering to be present. So this Sutra is spawned by Lord Shiva "1. RADIANT ONE, THIS EXPERIENCE MAY DAWN BETWEEN TWO BREATHS. AFTER BREATH COMES IN (DOWN) AND JUST BEFORE TURNING UP (OUT) – THE BENEFICENCE." Try to Practically be present to the breath.. - The Beneficence may flow into you. Thanks for reading and Thanks for contributions Gypzy [/QUOTE]