Tried Breakthrough. First time without music.

[Xenogears]

Sorry for the really long post, but this trip was the most insane, schitzo, reality altering trip I have ever had.

Thanks beforehand for taking the time to read!


Well... I know everyone has different opinions on if you should listen to music when you take a breakthrough dose. Me, I have always put on soothing relaxing psychedelic songs to bring me into the correct mindset to blast off and also because during the journey all though I am in another reality I still hear the music and it always sounds different, insane, and completely beautiful and the visions seem to dance to / interact with whatever song I have on ( always a chill song with no lyrics)

Last night, I decided to try to take a rip without calming music playing, in complete silence at the reccomendation of many people I have talked to who have said they do it that way. Well, my results were confusing, insane, and not what I expected whatsoever.

Im having trouble even attempting to put this into words but here it goes.

I loaded up the pipe, got everything in my room ready to go. I wasn't very nervous at all for some reason this time, just ready to tackle whatever hyperspace delivered me.

Well, I hit the pipe, and it was like, as soon as I hit the pipe (after one hit), the thought that went through my mind was "Wow thats not right." The pipe started shrinking and thinning out in my hand and I thought well this is going to be strange I have never seen it to that before. Then I looked at my torch lighter and it started twisting and contorting into impossible shapes.

I thought ok this is going to be insanely intense what do I do I WISH SOME RELAXING MUSIC WAS PLAYING!!!

I thought ok I should lay down in my bed and relax and try to let go and let the spice take me where it wants to, and I tried to do that but then this is where shit just hits the fan and gets really crazy...


I was seeing impossible visions, they were nothing like any other visions I had seen in hyperspace before.

I honestly believed that I had screwed up reality somehow FOR EVERYONE ON THE PLANET, because I hit some DMT. Like my room was contorting into all these impossible deminsions and shapes around me and I thought oh fuck thats not supposed to happen since when does DMT affect this reality...

I started to really believe that me hitting DMT had sent me to some fucked up hyperspace deminsion that was a twisted ccontorting version of our reality and I didn't know what to do, I thought I would be trapped there for eternity.

Next I thought no that is impossible, Its just DMT and I just told myself "its the drug, in time it will wear off..."

This made me feel a little better as always, but then I started thinking thought loopish thoughts along the lines of what is time? does time even exist? if time exists then why does it already feel like I have been here an eternity and things are not seeming to get better?

I sat up, when I did everything in my room went bonkers. The sheets on my bed started flashing millions of different patterns at the speed of light. My dog was lying on top of my bed and the patterns were superimposed onto my dog. I started worrying about it and thinking about waking my dog up because I was SCARED for him. Next I thought OK silence sucks lets turn on the TV..

Bad idea. The TV started going satanic or something.It was flashing through the most rediculous images and just acting all around glitchy, that I had to have been hallucinating so hard I did not see anything that was actually on TV, in my mind I was superimposing a hallucination right over the screen. The TV flashed black and what looked liked alien writing scrolled down the TV (I was in on demand menu before). I thought oh damn I was right I screwed up reality theres no way smoking DMT effects TV. I looked at the on demand menu and it expanded from 8 buttons in a row to about 100 buttons jammed in my screen, and what the buttons did was certainly not in english anymore. I thought this is insane lets just lay down close my eyes try to drift away.

Well it didnt work very well because RIGHT when I closed my eyes, the TV glitched up and went all staticcy again and then changed to some nature program, EXPLAINING THE BEGINNING/ORIGINS of FREAKIN LIFE. There is no way that program was even real, it had to be just a hallucination, even though I heard the static, opened my eyes and looked at it, and saw the TV flash and change to the channel.

This "program" explaining the origins of life had soothing music playing in the background so I thought Ill just lay down here and listen to this program wait for all this insanity to hopefully end. It worked for a minute, but then I started getting sick of listening to the guy because it started to sound like jibber jabber.

I got up to turn the TV off and once again everything in my room went insane the TV flashing, everything including the walls twisting in and over me into impossible shapes and deminsions.

This is where I thought, OK you win, this has gone on for an eternity, I really have completely messed up reality as humanity knows it simply by hitting up a DMT pipe, or perhaps just went shitzo, and its over now.

I thought, "I should go wake up my mom (if she is even real) and let her know that I fucked up reality by hitting a pipe, and that Im sorry, and I should bring her to my room to show her all this insanity just to make sure. (live with my mom while I do some colllege classes til I find someone to move in with, she would have been understanding but very worried about my state of mind)

Before this I was scared to leave my room, or just thought I was trapped like my room was a sealed off messed up deminsion, but I left the room, and turned on the hall light. Of course everything looked insane.

I looked on the ground and saw something that looked very small and slimy. I thought oh god is this real or whats going on.

So I go over to the gross thing and bend down to get a closer look and it looks like a nasty little mushroom or something.

I think what the fuck is that and bend down to pick it up but my hand goes right through (hollywood style hallucination)

I thought OK that shit wasn't real so maybe none of the stuff I experienced in my room was real, maybe I don't need to tell my mom that I fucked reality up!

I went back in my room and shit got really crazy again for another minute. I won't explain what happened because I have already wrote so much and its very similar to the earlier part of my post.

Pretty much I started going insane in my room with everything in reality ffreaking out again. Started thinking maybe I was right bout messing up reality.

Next thing I knew, I woke up, laying in my bed, with the lights off (they were on when I hit the spice). Wondering if I just had some crazy lucid dream or if I even was really walking around. Perhaps I just hit it laid down and all that was a dream? I even had to go check out in the hall where I saw the shroom thing trying to determine wth just happened to me.

I felt extremely confused for like 15 minutes and couldnt do anything but just sitthere trying to comprehend what just happened to me..

I didn't even have the extremely euphoric afterglow because I was so confused and what not. Quite a strange experience indeed, I imagine what I went through to be like what the most extremely schizo person in the world during his worst day might have seen, I do not know. I dont even remember what order all that stuff I talked about there happened in, I just tried to piece back the bits and pieces I remembered as best I could...

Thanks for reading if you have stuck with it til here, I wanted to get other peoples opinions and see if anyone else experienced ANYTHING like this before.

I really shouldn't have been walking around going that insane on that high of a dose( but then again perhaps it was all in my head). EVERY other breakthrough I have had has been complete beauty, shock, bliss, and love so this was quite suprising.

I guess I could say my first "bad trippish" experience with DMT, although in retrospect I might have needed it, I definately took a few lessons away from that experience and am very grateful for them.

I was really in a delusional crazed stated of mind, Im suprised I didnt pour milk all over my head or something to make sure reality was real lol.

It was like a mix of datura, ayahuasca, and schizophrenicness rolled into one big insane package.

The closed eye visuals everytime I would decide to try and relax, let go and close my eyes were just wierdly insane. There was slight traces of the different colored goos swirling around and morphing together, but it was very very liight and in the background. Whenever I would close my eyes I would see like a real life object from my room still in my vison like it didn't matter if my eyes were closed or open. This might be why I got uneasy and wanted to get up and change stuff like turn the TV on, because I wasn't having the beautiful CEV I usually get, just strange and confusing visions. or like when the program explaining the origin of life came on, I tried to close my eyes and just listen to it but when I closed my eyes I could still see the program lingering in my mind!

I cannot wait to try a dose that high again sometime, and next time I am spinning my soothing psychedelic music! :shock: christ!

 

[mogascreeta]

wow it sounds like you had a powerful experience. it reminds me of my first journey with no music playing. it was scary to say the least but now i ONLY blastoff in silence. the more you do it while, silent the easier it is to handle and the more insight you can get out of it

 

[DeMenTed]

Wow xeno! sounds very strange!

I had headphones on last night with loud techno on 55mg and i can say it was amazing! T the female entities were dancing to the music and i felt the music guided the trip to euphoria, try music on headfones dude, its magic

 

[Xenogears]

Thanks for the replies, yeah one of the lessons I took away from this experience is that spice is a substance that you have to put work into to get stuff out of. Its much more than just hitting the pipe and laying back and "awaiting enlightenment". It is all encompassing, I have to dedicate myself. I will work in silence like you have suggested and perhaps eventually when I master it I will have full blown breakthrough experiences with entities like many people talk about, but I am going to take it nice and slow. Perhaps lower the dose a little bit for my silent trips, and maybe switch off do silent one time then music the next time. I have to reaffirm what it is I want to gain from using spice and why I do it. Get my intentions straight and actually put in work.

Thanks for the advice!

Wow xeno! sounds very strange!

I had headphones on last night with loud techno on 55mg and i can say it was amazing! T the female entities were dancing to the music and i felt the music guided the trip to euphoria, try music on headfones dude, its magic

Sounds great man, this is much like what any other time I take a breakthrough dose is like. Have a favorite song playing, take the dose, just lay back close my eyes and float into pure universal psychedelic bliss and love. The song is always beautiful sounding and the visuals always interact with the audio stimulation. The visuals often dance to the beat of the music for me as well

Glad to see there is other people out there who enjoy a bit of music during a breakthrough!

I reccomend listening to the song -

Shulman - Retroscape
Shulman - Small Grey Creatures
Shulman - Transmissions in Bloom

To me they are the perfect songs to take into hyperspace with you. Soothing calming psychedelic ass songs that even sound like they already have DMT entities singing the lyrics!

 

[ragabr]

Xeno!

You ripped a hole in reality and let hyperspace in!! Lol, I half believe that these trips (I have had several of them in the past) act to teach us the egocentricity we carry with us. *I* blew up reality.

Sorry to hear the freakout, I sympathize. Thank you for sharing your experiment.

 

[Xenogears]

Xeno!

You ripped a hole in reality and let hyperspace in!! Lol, I half believe that these trips (I have had several of them in the past) act to teach us the egocentricity we carry with us. *I* blew up reality.

Sorry to hear the freakout, I sympathize. Thank you for sharing your experiment.

That is the perfect way to describe it

I thought I had sucked hyperspace into this reality FOR EVERYONE ON THE PLANET and that life for everyone was just going to be this annoying reality where impossible things occur every second for eternity.. Everything going on was just way too impossible and rediculous for me to comprehend that I had only sucked hyperspace into MY reality

 

[Felnik]

I had a total freek out meltdown the other day. I was in the bathroom on the floor laughing uncontrollable with my friend in the other room doing the same. I actually like being in that psychedelic freek out zone I can't think of a better way to spend an afternoon. At one point I everything in the room was moving and the air had opaque patterns in it. Fractal alien shapes everywhere. I didn't remember hitting the pipe at all. I knew I must have done something to make it happen but I had no memory of what I did. It was a full on circus freek out zone really fun. I feel like i'm only just starting to get used to it. I'm still processing it

 

[DeMenTed]

Ive changed my mind, a dark room eyes open no music, for me this is the ultimate setting

 

[ghostman]

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Get my intentions straight and actually put in work.

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You said it.

I don't understand how any one would want to take anything earthly with them, like TV or headphones with techno playing. How can you possibly let go?

 

[gammagore]

Ive changed my mind, a dark room eyes open no music, for me this is the ultimate setting

sounds good. But eyes closed do good too, although, at high enough dose, there is no difference between closed and open.

 

[ragabr]

although, at high enough dose, there is no difference between closed and open.

So true! For some reason SWIM has a habit of opening her eyes after breakthrough and doesn't realize it until the journey ends. A strange period of overlap happens when the ceiling gets incorporated into the visions somehow.

 

[universecannon]

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Get my intentions straight and actually put in work.

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You said it.

I don't understand how any one would want to take anything earthly with them, like TV or headphones with techno playing. How can you possibly let go?

I agree.

The sounds of nature or even ravi playing softly in the background can be nice, but I really think i get more out of it without distractions here..although oddly i have had some nice experiences to the odd sound of my minifridge LOL.. Turning the TV though on sounds like one of the worst things one can do when trying to let go of this world! Thanks for the report xenogears. Maybe next time try still silent darkness without any distractions?

 

[88]

I honestly believed that I had screwed up reality somehow FOR EVERYONE ON THE PLANET, because I hit some DMT.

I started worrying about it and thinking about waking my dog up because I was SCARED for him. Next I thought OK silence sucks lets turn on the TV..

I thought oh damn I was right I screwed up reality theres no way smoking DMT effects TV.

I thought, "I should go wake up my mom (if she is even real) and let her know that I fucked up reality by hitting a pipe, and that Im sorry, and I should bring her to my room to show her all this insanity just to make sure.

Dude, sorry to be the Bad Uncle here, but WHAT THE F?!?!?!

"Mom? Hi. I seem to have ripped a hole in the spacetime continuum and screwed up reality for everyone.

Oh, How did this happen, you ask? Well, I was smoking this stuff which I found out about on a website. Anyway, can you come and take the sacred geometry off Fido? I'm really worried about him".

Next thing you know, you're that guy in Nebraska.

You don't know about the guy in Nebraska? There's a thread here all about his dumb ass. The Nexus is full of useful information about how to prepare, what to expect and how to go about this whole process. You should really, really read some of it before you go ANYWHERE NEAR spice again, guy. Seriously.

Sorry to rant, Xeno, but for fucks sake man, sort yourself out before you screw this whole thing up for everybody.

 

[DeMenTed]

Ive changed my mind, a dark room eyes open no music, for me this is the ultimate setting

sounds good. But eyes closed do good too, although, at high enough dose, there is no difference between closed and open.

There was no difference between eyes closed oropn for me.

 

[jacetea]

DMT is just bad with my eyes open. Everything kind of shimmers and assumes a different role than what it is. The curtains would look massive and be part of a huge stage where a play would take place...The walls would turn into one solid colour and my perception of it would be such that I could move into it. Like when the road runner paints a wall for the coyote

That's all fun and games compared with closing my eyes. The instant I clear the bong I close my eyes. There's a small transition period where I hear ringing in my ears and all my surroundings are pushed away from my conscious mind. After that I'm locked into whatever reality I just stumbled upon.

Whatever works for you is what you should be doing. My room mate told me the same thing about closing his eyes...He mentioned that he would see objects that were in the room as if he hadn't closed his eyes. I've never gotten that from it though. If music works for you then listen to music.

 

[joebono]

Perhaps this was your first true breakthrough. I smoked DMT over a hundred times over two years and thought I understood it and then there was that first real experience where I entered pure hyperspace. I realized that the sub breakthrough dose and the breakthrough have absolutely nothing in common with each other. It is almost as if you are taking a completely different drug. It is like comparing a cap gun to a nuclear missile. The visuals are totally unique, the thoughts are cosmic but on a grander scale, and the fear and panic are much more palpable. There is nothing, no psychedelic, no sub breakthrough DMT smoking, no hefty pharmahuasca trip that can ever even hint at what lies beyond the breakthrough. It is freakish and insane.

 

[Xenogears]

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Get my intentions straight and actually put in work.

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You said it.

I don't understand how any one would want to take anything earthly with them, like TV or headphones with techno playing. How can you possibly let go?

Dont get me wrong I completely agree I never watch TV when I blast off... it was just my fucked up state of mind freaking out and not knowing wtf was going on.

Usually I do it in darkness with a chill song with no lyrics that mellows me out and gets me in the correct mindset to just let go playing in the background.

This usually works very well for me and I don't see how having a soothing great song playing at low volume during a breakthrough can make it any less spiritual, much like the drumming and chanting the shamans of south america do. For me listening to a good song like this can be almost spiritual by itself, on DMT it is taken to a whole new level. This was my first attempt without music, and those were my results lol, I just need more practice without the music I suppose, or maybe I hit resin too and accidently got way too much, who really knows.

Anyone who doubts music during smoked DMT i think you should try a lower 30mg dose or something like that listening to something like Shulman - Retroscape. For me its quite a beautiful relaxing refreshing awe inspiring experience every time.

And 88 you are overreacting man. I am highly experienced doing psyches alone at my house and never take rediculously high doses like some people, this is the only time some thought like that has ever happened.. and even if I did end up doing that to my mom, she would have been quite worried, but nothing bad would have happened. She would have been very understanding and talked me through it and when I came down probably given me a good lil lecture or something lol. I have nnever had a bad trip/freakout on a psyche really either so I feel pretty confident in using by myself in my house every so often.

 

[88]

And 88 you are overreacting man.

You may be right; and at the end of the day, you didn't actually go and tell her you broke the world ... you just thought about it, and told us. So I take your point.

But when I read your post, it just seemed you were really unprepared; and I suppose it is true that nothing can ever really prepare you for a breakthrough - but you can get yourself in the right frame of mind.

All I'm saying is that this is a seriously powerful molecule on all sorts of levels, and maybe you know that now. When people go into it unprepared, or just looking for kicks, I always think these are the ones where they are going to end up on the front page of the local paper, or running naked down the street.

I'm just into responsible use. And the Nexus, I feel, is also about taking some kind of responsibility for one another. That's all I'm trying to do here - even if I'm shouting a bit.

safe travels

 

[lyserge]

Wow, thanks for reminding me to respect the power of Spice. The only time something similar has happened for me was with Salvia. I took a large bong rip of a 20x extract, thought nothing was going to happen, and then I heard this laugh, a lady laughing at me. I then was projected into this insane salvia hyperspace. I became a book whose pages were different universes, and with each "flip" of the page I felt myself flipping into another space, like a strange radial/circular gravity. I had no recollection of "me" or of the bong rip, and when I started to return to my body, the salvia hyperspace was projected into the world. I saw headlines about me having ruined myself with this "salvia" stuff.
At that point I had no respect for the plant intelligences, and now consider this to be Lady Salvia's smacking me hard for this lack of respect. Much sympathy...

 

[Xenogears]

And 88 you are overreacting man.

You may be right; and at the end of the day, you didn't actually go and tell her you broke the world ... you just thought about it, and told us. So I take your point.

But when I read your post, it just seemed you were really unprepared; and I suppose it is true that nothing can ever really prepare you for a breakthrough - but you can get yourself in the right frame of mind.

All I'm saying is that this is a seriously powerful molecule on all sorts of levels, and maybe you know that now. When people go into it unprepared, or just looking for kicks, I always think these are the ones where they are going to end up on the front page of the local paper, or running naked down the street.

I'm just into responsible use. And the Nexus, I feel, is also about taking some kind of responsibility for one another. That's all I'm trying to do here - even if I'm shouting a bit.

safe travels

I feel you bro! Thanks for the concern for real.

I am definitely into respecting the molecule and approaching it respectfully and responsibly.

I read about it for a long while and experimented with milder hallucinogens before I attempted it.

What I took away and learned from this, and what I meant earlier, was that it taught me that I had been hitting it more often less as a sacrament and more as just a way to see fireworks. From now on I know exactly the ritual I do and it will be the one that has always worked for me. From here on out its all or nothing, no hitting the pipe just for kicks, if you know what I mean.

My experiences just got to be so unbelievably beautiful, it made me kind of believe that bad trips on the stuff couldn't even exist? This definitely reminded me of that respect that this substance requires.

I was just thinking wtf could have possibly gone wrong besides a bit of a lecture you know? Not like I was gonna flip out and murder my mom or nothing like that...

Every other time I have smoked it I have just laid down experienced the most beautiful visions ever and wouldnt have wanted to open my eyes and walk around and stop experiencing that even if the world was ending around me. Then when it finally subside and I am back to reality I just feel full of love and appreciation for life.