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Tried Rue extraction with salt. Now what (pic)

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So I made a tea and let it settle and got rid of the gunk in the bottom. I then added in 95g of salt and let that settle. The harmalas are the sitting on top of a layer of salt right? So do I just get rid of the liquid above the harmalas and then I have the haramalas and the salt. Then I was reading that I can mix the salt and harmala in some water and then add ammonia and this will cause the harmalas to fall out and then I can get rid of the water and there shouldn't be any salt left? Am I missing anything before I go ahead and do this?

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95g salt to how many ml rue tea? And was it boiling as you added the salt? Looks like you either added too much salt and/or it wasnt hot enough. 10g salt per 100ml liquid boiling. Its in all teks in our wiki.

Yeah you should let it settle, decant/filter, and redissolve it in boiling water and base to precip the freebase harmalas
 
haha...wow.....Well....it was 300ml of rue and I added it when it was cold....the tek I was reading said to add 35g of salt per 100ml.....also it didn't mention anything about it being hot. Can I do anything to fix it?
 
Ok, so pour off the tea on top and redissolve the harmalas/salt on the bottom in boiling water and then add some ammonia to get the harmalas to fall out?
 
I'd say heat it all up, don't pour anything off. As it cools it will push the harmalas out.

I don't know what tek you're using but it sounds a bit overkill on the salt.

I've never used ammonia so I can't really say anything in that regard but it should freebase the alkaloids no problem.

Once you've got your freebase harmalas, I'd suggest using the Tao of Rue tek from step 6 on.

Hope this helps and good luck.
 
MelCat said:
I'd say heat it all up, don't pour anything off. As it cools it will push the harmalas out.

I've never used ammonia so I can't really say anything in that regard but it should freebase the alkaloids no problem.
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Just to clarify one thing. You are saying to heat it all up and then add the ammonia and then let it cool...right?
 
After thinking about it a bit more, it's hard to tell which would be the better way to proceed.

Looking at your picture, I assume that the bottom layer is salt, the middle layer is harmalas and the top layer is a mix of harmalas and tea...

My first thought was to just heat everything up, allow everything to redissolve and then allow everything to cool.

This would push the alks out as harmala hcl.

The only thing with that is that you'll have to retrieve the harmala hcl somehow and that works best with a filter. However, that requires your brew to be exceptionally clean to work with any kind of efficiency otherwise it will just get clogged and take forever and a million filters.

So I recommend instead to heat everything up and allow everything to dissolve. If everything doesn't dissolve, add some more water/vinegar until it does dissolve.

Once everything is completely dissolved, move it back to a glass container and add either a lye solution or the ammonia solution once it cools down enough so that it doesn't cause any kind of violent reaction but before it cools down enough for the salt to start pushing alks out.

Once your alks are freebased, allow them to settle for 24 hours and then you can decant the basic water off and redissolve the alks in some fresh vinegar and proceed with step 6 in the Tao.
 
Ok, here is what I got now after redissolving in water and vinegar. I'm guessing the harmalas are in the middle and the salt is on the bottom? Ok, so now for step 6 in the tao of rue, do I try and not get any of the salt out of my glass. I should try and get only the harmalas right?

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This is after you dissolved everything and added lye or ammonia, correct?

If those are freebase alks, you want to allow them to settle before decanting the basic water off of the top.

If those are harmala hcl alks, then it's not dissolving properly and we might need to take another course of action.
 
MelCat said:
This is after you dissolved everything and added lye or ammonia, correct?

If those are freebase alks, you want to allow them to settle before decanting the basic water off of the top.

If those are harmala hcl alks, then it's not dissolving properly and we might need to take another course of action.
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This IS after I dissolved everything and then I added a little bit of a lye solution. So I believe they are freebase alkaloids. So in that picture, the glass had been sitting for about 14 hours.
 
Right on, then just decant the water and save it because some more alks might settle to the bottom.

Then redissolve the freebase harmalas in some fresh warm vinegar or fumaric acid solution and proceed with the manske to get the harmala hcl.

Sorry about the delayed response, I meant to add this thread to my watch list.
 
put this in your fridge over night and tap the vessel every so often to encourage settling of alks, decant solution away from precipitates (fb harmalas) and wash with water (as long as the ph of your vessels solution dosent drop low enough to redissolve your alks) then redecant after once again fridge sit and tapping.
 
Ok, thanks guys. One thing I don't get is why do we turn the freebase into a hcl(I'm guessing that means salt form)?

Can the freebase version not be taken orally?
 
It's mainly for a purer product. There are extra alkaloids in rue that can cause some side effects and discomfort. The manske gets rid of those extras so you are left with mostly harmine and harmaline.

And yes, freebase, hcl, fumarate, etc can all be taken orally but the salt forms seem to work with the body better since they are already water soluble and merge with the stomach. Freebase alks require the body to convert them and that can make some people kinda nauseous on top of the regular harmala/dmt nausea. Best to do that conversion outside of the body.
 
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